Instilling a sense of conscience.

**short-circuit** · 22nd July 2009, 18:41

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Ooh that really hurt

You sure it's not coz you enjoy the snug warmness of sixpack's back cavity?

Hahahaha - more red from ya SexBackPassage? Must have hit a tender spot (excuse the pun). You'd better do something about that internalised homophobia - could be very damaging psychologically.

**SixPackBack** · 22nd July 2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Having read the last four pages I noticed that Shrub did say he did a quick over shoulder check and he also mentioned checking his blindspot (as a former truckie). The point he was making about checking helmets was that he was at the front leading a group ride. So the rider of the gixxer approaching with excessive speed may or may not have been one of a number of helmets.

I think he was making a perfectly valid point which was exactly as I observed back in post #29....

Please explain why you red repped me for that post sixpackjack(off) (post#29 that is) - Was that just hardcore Gixxer loyality or were you the grade A pillock in question?

WAAAAAAHHHH
Well you seem like a bit of a twat, and I had a silent desire to see you have a bit of a cry.......you made my day bro'

**short-circuit** · 22nd July 2009, 18:46

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

WAAAAAAHHHH
Well you seem like a bit of a twat, and I had a silent desire to see you have a bit of a cry.......you made my day bro'

A derrogatory term? - wassamadda? Don't you like them?

**PrincessBandit** · 22nd July 2009, 18:47

I was always under the impression that in the event of up-close-and-personal between vehicles that under almost all circumstances the following vehicle is held responsible. Surely it is the duty of the vehicle behind to work around those in front (even if they are obliquely positioned). Given that our eyes face forward on our faces, not on swivel stalks, the rider coming from behind has a much clearer view of circumstances.

I've had cars and bikes come up behind me and speed up to pass on dual carriage ways even when I've been indicating for my required 3 seconds. It's as if they can't stand having to wait for another motorist to get their opportunity to pass before they do!

If you are overtaking, it is your responsibility to ensure your way is clear and be aware of someone else who may be contemplating the same move. Whether or not you think they're entitled to or not.

**The Stranger:Me** · 22nd July 2009, 18:55

Originally Posted by short-circuit

But once again, the main issue (which is being persistently fudged) was the behaviour of the Gixxer rider - which a shoulder check wouldn't necessarily pick up either when riding as part of a group.

Main issue?
It certainly is an issue.
Potentially not the smartest thing to do, though in and of itself not necessarily a problem either.
Failing to adequately assess the traffic in the other lane however has the potential to be fatal at virtually any speed.
As boomer notes, motorway on ramps, exit only lanes (particularly bad) over taking, changing lanes are all times that a head check is necessary.

If we are going to "clean up" the road, why leave an obvious problem out? It makes no sense to defend it poor driving skills and just focus on one thing.

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 19:02

Originally Posted by The Stranger

If we are going to "clean up" the road, why leave an obvious problem out? It makes no sense to defend it poor driving skills and just focus on one thing.

Quite frankly Noel, your deluded rantings are starting to bring discredit to the RRRS scheme.

**The Stranger:Me** · 22nd July 2009, 19:04

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

I was always under the impression that in the event of up-close-and-personal between vehicles that under almost all circumstances the following vehicle is held responsible. Surely it is the duty of the vehicle behind to work around those in front (even if they are obliquely positioned). Given that our eyes face forward on our faces, not on swivel stalks, the rider coming from behind has a much clearer view of circumstances.

The key of course is "almost".
If at the last minute something pulls into your lane however and you hit them, it's not your fault. How can it be? Say you're driving along with 2 seconds in front of you, someone slots into your 2 second space and you haven't had time to open the space before he brakes. Not your fault!

If you change lanes, you must ensure the lane is clear to do so. Failure to do so is your problem, not theirs.

**short-circuit** · 22nd July 2009, 19:06

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Main issue?
It certainly is an issue.
Potentially not the smartest thing to do, though in and of itself not necessarily a problem either.
Failing to adequately assess the traffic in the other lane however has the potential to be fatal at virtually any speed.
As boomer notes, motorway on ramps, exit only lanes (particularly bad) over taking, changing lanes are all times that a head check is necessary.

If we are going to "clean up" the road, why leave an obvious problem out? It makes no sense to defend it poor driving skills and just focus on one thing.

Yeah agreed - head checking is important and if it was omitted it could have contributed to a dangerous situation. So now with this out of the way, what are we left with......

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 19:06

Originally Posted by The Stranger

The key of course is "almost".
If at the last minute something pulls into your lane however and you hit them, it's not your fault. How can it be? Say you're driving along with 2 seconds in front of you, someone slots into your 2 second space and you haven't had time to open the space before he brakes. Not your fault!

If you change lanes, you must ensure the lane is clear to do so. Failure to do so is your problem, not theirs.

It depends on the manner in which you're carrying out that overtaking manoeuvre.

**The Stranger:Me** · 22nd July 2009, 19:06

Originally Posted by Katman

Quite frankly Noel, your deluded rantings are starting to bring the whole RRRS scheme into disrepute.

I'm sure the powers that be will appreciate your input Katman. Feel free to sort it out with them. Perhaps you could offer your services instead.

**The Stranger:Me** · 22nd July 2009, 19:08

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Yeah agreed - head checking is important and if it was omitted it could have contributed to a dangerous situation. So now with this out of the way, what are we left with......

No problems as the gixxer was spotted by the head check, wizzed on by and they all lived happily ever after.

**short-circuit** · 22nd July 2009, 19:12

Originally Posted by The Stranger

No problems as the gixxer was spotted by the head check, wizzed on by and they all lived happily ever after.

At 60 km over the limit (maybe 160-170kmph) around or through a group ride? You can say with certainty he'd be seen with an over the shoulder glance can you?

**Katman** · 22nd July 2009, 19:12

Originally Posted by The Stranger

I'm sure the powers that be will appreciate your input Katman. Feel free to sort it out with them. Perhaps you could offer your services instead.

I'm concerned by the fact that you are so vehemently opposed to the idea of riding with any sense of responsibility towards how your actions affect the others that share the road with you.