LTSA Stuff I hadn't picked up on.

**Lou Girardin** · 31st March 2005, 10:16

What's the problem with indicating at roundabouts?
If you take the first exit - indicate left as you approach the roundabout.
Straight through - only indicate left as you approach the exit.
Right turns indicate right as you approach the roundabout.
Too bloody simple. If they bring in retesting of all drivers, some of you guys are in trouble.

**James Deuce** · 31st March 2005, 10:26

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

What's the problem with indicating at roundabouts?
If you take the first exit - indicate left as you approach the roundabout.
Straight through - only indicate left as you approach the exit.
Right turns indicate right as you approach the roundabout.
Too bloody simple. If they bring in retesting of all drivers, some of you guys are in trouble.

Ahh yes, but I rang the AA and LTNZ this morning and both told me I have to indicate when entering a roundabout if I am going straight through. How does that work?

I have no issue with the above process, but that isn't how it works under the current rule. Which is different to how I'd interpreted it Lou, which is what you said. Incidentally, I've been doing this since I came back from the UK, as I thought it made good sense.

**Waylander** · 31st March 2005, 10:27

Originally Posted by Jim2

Ahh yes, but I rang the AA and LTNZ this morning and both told me I have to indicate when entering a roundabout if I am going straight through. How does that work?

I have no issue with the above process, but that isn't how it works under the current rule.

Well with the exception of Hitcher, common sense and government officials have never played well together.

**jrandom** · 31st March 2005, 10:31

Originally Posted by Jim2

Ahh yes, but I rang the AA and LTNZ this morning and both told me I have to indicate when entering a roundabout if I am going straight through. How does that work?

I have no issue with the above process...

I do. badlieutenant was doing it in front of me when we rode back up to Auckland on the weekend, and it confused me terribly; I had no idea whether he was planning to go straight through each roundabout or fang off into the wilderness to the right somewhere. I was going all wobbly trying to keep my roundabout-exiting options open as I followed him.

I think it's a dreadful rule, and I will be continuing to *not* indicate when I enter a roundabout to go straight through (and indicate left on exit, of course), simply because I think it's safer and makes more sense.

**Ixion** · 31st March 2005, 10:33

Originally Posted by alucard_draken

Well with the exception of Hitcher, common sense and government officials have never played well together.

My information differs. My understanding is that if you are going straight through (begging the question of what straight through *means* when it isn't a nice 90 degree angle) you should *not* indicate on entering the roundabout , but should indicate left before exiting (after passing the 9 oclock exit). What one does if there is only a straight through and turn right I don't know.

Originally Posted by from the LTSA roadcode web site

If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

don't signal as you come up to the roundabout
signal left before the exit you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give 3 seconds warning of you leaving but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.

**James Deuce** · 31st March 2005, 10:36

Originally Posted by Ixion

My information differs. My understanding is that if you are going straight through (begging the question of what straight through *means* when it isn't a nice 90 degree angle) you should *not* indicate on entering the roundabout , but should indicate left before exiting (after passing the 9 oclock exit). What one does if there is only a straight through and turn right I don't know.

Yes, and I had read that during the lead up to the change, but subsequent varied interpretations have revealed that there is some "confusion" over what one should do. As I have posted earlier I HAVE rung the organisations most likely to know and what they told me is at odds with the LTNZ website.

**NordieBoy** · 31st March 2005, 10:54

Originally Posted by Motu

New WoF lighting rules became law on 27 Feb,we are supposed to start implementing the rules tomorrow - the regs are still at the printers and I haven't recieved mine yet....I'm gunna feel like fool tomorrow....

Hey why not feel like a fool today!

Oh, it is tomorrow today.

**Ixion** · 31st March 2005, 11:09

Originally Posted by Motu

.....I'm gunna feel like fool tomorrow....

So - what's gonna be different about tomorrow then ?

**Lou Girardin** · 31st March 2005, 12:08

Looking at it logically, which is alien to LTNZ knobheads, if you're travelling straight you do not indicate except when in the roundabout to show oncoming drivers that you are exiting.
They have put you wrong, just like they did about travelling in M/way bus lanes.
Maybe they should read a road code.
If brains were dynamite, they couldn't even blow their noses.

**spudchucka** · 31st March 2005, 12:34

Lou is correct. Straight through traffic only has to indicate as they exit the round-a-bout.

**James Deuce** · 31st March 2005, 14:01

Thanks Mr Chuka.

Their (AA & LTNZ) argument, in both cases was that you have to indicate for 3 seconds before completing a manouvre. There are certainly roundabouts in the UK where that is achievable. But 99.9% of roundabouts here would require you to travel at about 3km/hr to do that and fullfil the requirements of both the indicating rule, and the new roundabout rules.

I sincerely hope that most cop's take Spud's view, or we're all doomed.

NC · 31st March 2005, 14:08

"ignoring a school patrol sign (20 points)"????????

Officer, I didn't see the kids on the crossing with the giant orange crossing lolliepop signs.

**madboy** · 31st March 2005, 14:16

I have to travel through 3 roundabouts within 1.5kms of leaving home each day (fortunately I don't need to go straight through any... phew!) but none of these roundabouts are big enough to indicate your exit any earlier than 0.0037sec before leaving the roundabout while travelling at a road speed that even the most anally retentive Highway Patrol would consider normal.

Bigger roundabouts (like Melling for example) are fine, plenty of time, but the other 99.9%?

So, umm, I guess we're back relying on the discretion of the good ole 5-0 here in enforcing these rules (no, I'm not gonna have a dig at them today)