LTSA Stuff I hadn't picked up on.

[Ixion]

Normal intersections are normal intersections, roundabouts are roundabouts. Some drivers may feel (legitimately) that once you are on the roundabout, that staying on the roundabout equates to going straight ahead, ergo no indication. I'm simply pointing out that when I'm entering a roundabout that I prefer all confusion were eliminated. On a single laned roundabout I can see no other reason for indicating other than for the benifit of drivers entering the round about.

Pedestrians ?

I always regard a roundabout as a curved bit of road with all exits as side roads.

[Waylander]

What in-bred goat-buggering, limp-wristed, son of a whore local council member came up with that one.

The law on this is: any deviation from the center-line requires indication hence both of those roads are a left turn, requiring indication, as pointed out by others on this forum. This would mean that poor saps coming down either road and seeing a car approaching and sigalling to turn left, would have no idea which of the two roads he's going to take. That's an accident waiting to happen.

Vehicle coming up from bottom of map, indicating left. car on lefthand road wanting to turn down road assumes approaching vehicle is turning into "his" road and that it is safe to go. Oops, gets T-boned by car that was turning left into "straight-ahead" road. Only one of a number of potentially nasty scenarios.

WTF were they thinking when they set up the centre-line as such? OK, their argument would be that the "primary route" through that (former crossroad) intersection is indicated by the centre-line and that it was done for convenience to the greater number of vehicles - but obviously they didn't stop to think of the consequences.

You don't water the liquer aye wolf lol. LTNZ answere to that intersection is either throw in a round about or a stop sign or two. Niether of wich will work.

[Clockwork]

Pedestrians ?

I always regard a roundabout as a curved bit of road with all exits as side roads.

Pedestrians? Fair enough too, but like I said earlier they shouldn't need to know where you enetered a roundabout, just whether your paths are goin to cross. I agree with you about the curved road, which is why I said some may consider that no indication means "I am staying on the roundabout". I just feel that indicating left or right should remove all (most) doubt.

[Ixion]

Pedestrians? Fair enough too, but like I said earlier they shouldn't need to know where you enetered a roundabout, just whether your paths are goin to cross. I agree with you about the curved road, which is why I said some may consider that no indication means "I am staying on the roundabout". I just feel that indicating left or right should remove all (most) doubt.

Agreed. I'm not convinced of the indicate right as you enter bit. To my mind it's obvious if you want to enter the roundabout (nowhere else to go). Once on it, no indication means "I'm staying on for a bit, not exiting yet" , indicate left at your exit.

Oh well, I guess it's easy enough to comply, silly though it may be

[Wolf]

You don't water the liquer aye wolf lol. LTNZ answere to that intersection is either throw in a round about or a stop sign or two. Niether of wich will work.

Kinda reinforces my policy of not moving until the other driver has committed to the turn - which ever one that might be.

Then again, I look both ways crossing the one-way section of Ward St each day (seen too many cagers ignore/not see the one-way sign) - very cautious am I, old as Yoda some day will I be.

[vifferman]

Kinda reinforces my policy of not moving until the other driver has committed to the turn - which ever one that might be.

... and brings it back to being your responsibility to ensure that you know for sure what another driver is going to do, before you move. There are always odd cases where other drivers indicate incorrectly, leave the indicator on, fail to indicate, or give an ambiguous indication of what they're up to.
Furthermore, there are odd places (like milky's one) where it's a little difficult to communicate your intentions. I've resorted at times to pointing where I want to go, where putting my indicator on wouldn't be clear. Of course, that doesn't work if it's dark (unless you own TheGlowingFingerOfDoom), or your hand isn't visible.

[Waylander]

Kinda reinforces my policy of not moving until the other driver has committed to the turn - which ever one that might be.

Then again, I look both ways crossing the one-way section of Ward St each day (seen too many cagers ignore/not see the one-way sign) - very cautious am I, old as Yoda some day will I be.

Hehe, I avoid that street alltogether. Infact I don't think I have ever been on the bike in town except when I am just going through it. If I ever actually have to go to town I'll take the bus. Risk my bike with puplic parking? I don't think so.

[flyin]

I've figured out how to solve this -straight through at a roundabout indication issue,

Add a THIRD indicator, above the headlight, and one below the brake light, that shows intention of proceeding straight through an intersection......

opedrated by a simple switch on the hadlebars this could be a reality in our fine country if we keep making new legislations for the completely incompetent (average) driver

[Lou Girardin]

Some of these posts don't bode well when and if peroidic retesting is introduced.

[TwoSeven]

You don't water the liquer aye wolf lol. LTNZ answere to that intersection is either throw in a round about or a stop sign or two. Niether of wich will work.

I thought it was to put a pothole in the center of the lane where people couldnt see it.

[Lou Girardin]

While on the subject, who's the cretins that thought of planting the centre of roundabouts and blocking your sightlines?

[Gremlin]

While on the subject, who's the cretins that thought of planting the centre of roundabouts and blocking your sightlines?

That is such a good point. After you have had a couple of close calls (because you couldn't see indicators) you realise how effective high indicators are. Most bikes have reasonably high ones and mercs and hondas also have indicators in their wing mirrors.

[Wolf]

While on the subject, who's the cretins that thought of planting the centre of roundabouts and blocking your sightlines?

Like the one on Te Aroha Street that used to have a tree in it - and the road slopes up to the roundabout on one side so you have vehicles hidden by the sudden drop in terrain and a whacking great tree. Tree's gone now. I love trees - all for 'em - but not in the middle of a bloody intersection fer chrissakes. Even with the tree gone it's still a bitch if you're riding/driving West or East on Te Aroha Street, approaching that roundabout - you have to really look to see traffic, let alone indicators.

My big beef with roundabouts - above and beyond any indication issues - it the fuck-head cagers who look at you coming around the roundabout indicating to turn right and make eye contact and then pull out in front of you anyway - as if braking whilst leanng your bike around a corner is a trivial matter.

Then they get all surprised when you lean on the horn.

Never a cop watching, either.

Where in the road code is "Give way to all vehicles approaching from your right on roundabouts unless it is a motorcycle who must give way to you." ??

[Gremlin]

Near my house is a roundabout with a stone wall about 1.5 - 1.8m (for about half, then it slopes to about 0.5m) high around it. Luckily its not very busy...

or another roundabout I almost have to always go through full of bushes that are just high enough to high the usual indicators. Close call with a merc once...

S'pose you could do something about bushes, but a massive stone wall???

[insert favouritist roundabout here]

[ManDownUnder]

I would agree. And I think the Road Code would also. The centre line is shown as bending to the right,so any deviation from that path is a turn. Obviously a left turn for the 90 degree left and either a left for the "straight ahead" turn if it is really another left off the "main" road, or a left then an immediate right, if the "straight ahead" road actually opens off the left turn road.

The example is similar to the Y fork example in the Road Code. It is the centre line that gives the clue

Yup - it is a straight ahead left hand turn...

God bless those in charge of such clarity

(actually to my mind it's pretty obvious but saying it out loud sounds kinda funcky.
MDU