LTSA Stuff I hadn't picked up on.

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks Mr Chuka.

Their (AA & LTNZ) argument, in both cases was that you have to indicate for 3 seconds before completing a manouvre. There are certainly roundabouts in the UK where that is achievable. But 99.9% of roundabouts here would require you to travel at about 3km/hr to do that and fullfil the requirements of both the indicating rule, and the new roundabout rules.

I sincerely hope that most cop's take Spud's view, or we're all doomed.

OK, imagine you're approaching said roundabout. Indicate left three secs before the exit and Mr Cage thinks you're turning left and pulls out in front.
Fan-bloody-tastic, thank you to the eunuchs at AA and LTNZ. This is what happens when non-drivers make laws.

[James Deuce]

OK, imagine you're approaching said roundabout. Indicate left three secs before the exit and Mr Cage thinks you're turning left and pulls out in front.
Fan-bloody-tastic, thank you to the eunuchs at AA and LTNZ. This is what happens when non-drivers make laws.

You weren't on the other end of the phone were you?

You've just quoted me exactly!

They were even more upset when I suggested that Holland and Belgium, with their plethora of velocipedes, would be thrilled to accept their expert services.

[riffer]

They were even more upset when I suggested that Holland and Belgium, with their plethora of velocipedes, would be thrilled to accept their expert services.

You're bloody lucky. Bob Gibson (LTNZ) refuses to answer my calls.

[Fart]

NZ is turning into a communist state. There is seriously something wrong when cops are more focus on roundabouts giving out tickets and dont even attend rape and burglary cases. Where is our priories?

I am getting sick and tired of the governmenttreating the pupolation like a bunch of 8 yr olds. We do have a mind of our own to make logical and common sense decisions on a dayly basis.

[Waylander]

NZ is turning into a communist state. There is seriously something wrong when cops are more focus on roundabouts giving out tickets and dont even attend rape and burglary cases. Where is our priories?

I am getting sick and tired of the governmenttreating the pupolation like a bunch of 8 yr olds. We do have a mind of our own to make logical and common sense decisions on a dayly basis.

Well some of us anyway, givin the amount of idiot cagers (and bikers) out there. Thankfully none of them are members of this site, yet.

[Skyryder]

What's the problem with indicating at roundabouts?
If you take the first exit - indicate left as you approach the roundabout.
Straight through - only indicate left as you approach the exit.
Right turns indicate right as you approach the roundabout.
Too bloody simple. If they bring in retesting of all drivers, some of you guys are in trouble.

Not too sure about you but when I'm on a roundabout I'm a little occupied with traffic and the unexpected...........I will indicate when turning no problem but tell me officer why should I indicate when I am going straight ahead.

Skyryder

[sedge]

NZ is turning into a communist state. There is seriously something wrong when cops are more focus on roundabouts giving out tickets and dont even attend rape and burglary cases. Where is our priories?

I am getting sick and tired of the governmenttreating the pupolation like a bunch of 8 yr olds. We do have a mind of our own to make logical and common sense decisions on a dayly basis.

Um... Communism in itself isn't a bad thing, historically it's the flawed implementation that lets it down. Defining communism as an extension of Marxism, as NZ approached the theoretical utopian classless communist state the government would cease to exist rather than become omnipotent.

Heh heh... I've been drinking that expensive imported beer tonight, the Mrs got me some on special

Sedge.

[The Pastor]

I am getting sick and tired of the governmenttreating the pupolation like a bunch of 8 yr olds. We do have a mind of our own to make logical and common sense decisions on a dayly basis.

Trust me I used to work in a supermarket on checkout 99% of people are stupid num-nuts who should be castrated/nuterd/kicked in the cu*t

[wkid_one]

Not too sure about you but when I'm on a roundabout I'm a little occupied with traffic and the unexpected...........I will indicate when turning no problem but tell me officer why should I indicate when I am going straight ahead.

Skyryder

Plus, how the fuck do they expect you to adequately handbrake slid around the roundabout while skipping a track on the cd player and not spill your Tui - and indicate at the same bloody time?

[peterjdaly]

If the cops ever start dishing out tickets for this, then start to complain. Most of the cops down here have enough sense to know when not to be nit picking. When they nit pick it's normally coz they have stopped someone like winja who calls them a revenue collector. This usually causes the ticket from a single offence one into a multiple offence one.

Treat cops like trash and that's what'll happen back. One day, maybe cops will start enforcing the indicating at roundabouts thing, but down here it hasn't happened yet.

In fact, I blame the cops for some of the issues they are supposed to prevent. When the law said you had to wear a bicycle helmet, for about 6 months most people did. The rate of bikes being stolen fell, as people thought riding a stolen bike with ne helmet would see you get caught. After about 6 months though, things just went back to the same old thing, as people realised that a marked police car drives past a cyclist without a helmet and does nothing. Police inaction on an issue condones the issue.

One day someone will push them into dishing out tickets for the indicator thing, if you indicate you probably won't have an issue.

[TwoSeven]

Thanks Mr Chuka.

Their (AA & LTNZ) argument, in both cases was that you have to indicate for 3 seconds before completing a manouvre. There are certainly roundabouts in the UK where that is achievable. But 99.9% of roundabouts here would require you to travel at about 3km/hr to do that and fullfil the requirements of both the indicating rule, and the new roundabout rules.

I sincerely hope that most cop's take Spud's view, or we're all doomed.

This 3 second rule doesnt fully apply to roundabouts. If you are making a left hand turn, then you are required to indicate for 3 seconds as you approach the roundabout. It is after all, just a normal left hand turn.

Once on the roundabout you indicate LEFT as you pass the turning immediately before the one you want to take.

All exits on a roundabout are left hand turns including the straight ahead exit, so you should always be indicating (effectively to leave the roundabout).

If the exit you want is past 12oclock, then you are required to make a right hand turn first (and be in the appropriate lane) - thats the only time you can indicate right on the roundabout. Then as you get to the turning immediately before the one you want, you start to indicate left (as above) which signals to all the other drivers that you are about to leave the roundabout.

Its not a hard rule to learn and I'm surprised kiwis have so much problem with it.

[Jantar]

...All exits on a roundabout are left hand turns including the straight ahead exit, so you should always be indicating (effectively to leave the roundabout)....
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Sorry, but not all exits are a left hand turn. This is only the case with large roundabouts like in Christchurch. The ones that only have a small raised circle in the middle of the intersection (like Queenstown) are still roundabouts, but if you are travelling straight ahead, then there is no need to deviate from a straight line at any stage. Hence there is never a left hand turn.

[spudchucka]

At least we don't have this to contend with!

[spudchucka]

Be still my beating heart. Spud said I was right!

Don't let it go to your head.

[Ixion]

I have pretty much done what the new rules says always, just as a courtesy to people waiting to enter the roundabout.

The only real problem I have is the "indicate right as you enter rule". That's OK on a single lane roundabout. But what about a big 3 lane one? If you are going off well round the loop, you want to move to the inner lane .(and in theory the new lane markings will mandate it). But what happens when you need to filter over to the left in preparation for leaving at your exit. You often have to do this before passing your penultimate exit. So the law says indicate right, because you haven't yet reached the "exit before yours". But you need to indicate left because you are actually changing lanes.

It's not just a matter of cops and tickets. If there is an accident insurance can depend on who was at fault - which in turn may hinge on these indicating rules.

And I trust insurance companys less than cops .