R1 vs Porsche

[Ixion]

Bah never liked the cut-out cars, and yea they may be lighter, smaller, faster but they cant match power, looks and sound. In fact I doubt those ricers are faster all the time, maybe around a track but put it out on a drag strip and the muscle will win all the time without the help of NOS.

Yeah I always heard there aint no substituie for cubes. Thaz why
I gotta all these cool dice to hang from my mirror. They're cubes aint they so I reckon I prolly got the fastest car in town now. And if it ain't I just godda add more dice.

[Coldkiwi]

loved the GSXR Vs Radical review! Go Niall

[Zed]

Mr. Jeremy "I'm too much of a giant pussy to ride a bike" Clarkson sets up a head-to-head Yamaha R1 vs Porsche Carrera 4 race at the Thruxton race track.

http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv

Entertaining to watch but I still don't think the guy on the R1 was pushing it hard enough. It seemed like he was easing off on some of the corners and the true power of the bike vs the cage was revealed on the straight where he absolutely blitzed the Porsche!

Clarkson amused me with his wise cracks at us bikers but ultimately he knows in his heart what rules the roads and the track!

[Kickaha]

At the very first Drink Drive 500 (Liquor King 500) after the Saturday racing/qualifying the fastest bike (GSXR1000)was about 2/100's of a second behind the fastest car(Trans Am) however they weren't using the dipper which I believe would have given the advantage to the bikes

Of course a 250 Superkart would kick both their arses on a track.

I'll bet on a fast car to beat a bike any day especialy if it's over a decent distance,but it has to be a seriously fast car to be able to do it.

[James Deuce]

Well I just beat a blinged up Mitsi Evo VII that goes Psshhh away from the Korokoro lights and down to Percy's reserve carpark, on my old-tech, "ugly", "slow", Suzuki "Girl's Bike" GSX600. By many car lengths. Included in the "Humiliation" was the standard winding up of windows and utter refusal to meet my eye.

I feel pretty,
Oh so pretty...

[peterjdaly]

He that doesn't admit a fair and square defeat loses the ability to claim victory at the next meeting. Next time ya see the little toerag really rub it in.

[scooterboy]

clarkson said in an episode couple of years ago that his fear of speed was the reason for his love of all things fast -- not the kind of mental foundation needed to feel safe at 180k without a cage

[Wolf]

Entertaining to watch but I still don't think the guy on the R1 was pushing it hard enough. It seemed like he was easing off on some of the corners and the true power of the bike vs the cage was revealed on the straight where he absolutely blitzed the Porsche!

I concur. It didn't seem to me that the rider (the wannabe Avocado Tree Grower) was taking the corners fast enough - he did't seem to be getting his knee down enough, too much air between him and the track. In some cases that may well be becuse the cage was blocking his path but other times it looked like he just lacked the skills/confidence to get everything he could out of the R1.

I thought as I watched it: They should have had them do timed circuits alone so that neither had to worry about the other as it looked as though the car was blocking the bike in places. I was left feeling that if the rider had been more aggressive, faster on the corners - or the only one on the track - he would have won.

The other vid of the 999 vs the Lambourghini was a fairer fight - they let them have the track to themselves and the rider was far superior to the Avocado King - he really got his knee down and was kicking up sparks.

When they showed the two superimposed you could plainly see that if both had been on the track at the same, one or other would have had to give way - there were points where the car was occupying the same space as the arse of the bike. You could clearly see how they would have fouled each other up.

Clarkson obviously rigged the "competition" to bear out his prejudice against bikes - pitting an experienced racer against a less experienced rider on the same track at the same time. Of course the competition racer is going to obliterate the less experienced/confident/competitive rider on the corners. The rider blew the car away on the straights but he backed off big-time on the corners.

As to Clarkson's "I won't be riding because I'm a heterosexual" WTF is he smoking? What a pathetic little "man" he is if he must resort to patently ridiculous "slurs" (I have a number of friends who would not classify it as an insult to be called homosexual) in order to make himself feel superior to bike riders. I truly feel sorry for him. What a sad little thing he is.

Either that or he's the bravest man on the planet, unashamedly shouting to the world that he knows jack shit about anything.

Oddly enough, I have a number of gay friends who ride motorbikes but they're all female. None of the male homosexuals I know ride bikes. (I have no idea if they're into rubber pants or not and I have no desire to know.)

[James Deuce]

Niall McKenzie (the rider) could whip the arse of anybody who posts on KB, on any track, with one hand tied behind his back and two plug leads removed.

Did anyone seriously think that Clarkson would let a bike beat anything. If Niall looked like he wasn't trying, then he was probably under instruction to NOT beat the car. It is Clarkson's show after all. Despite what the short one, and the dishevelled one may think.

5th gear did exactly what you suggested Wolf, and while the bike beat the car it was very, very close. They did a better job of picking comparable vehicles too (Gallardo vs 749). On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not sure if it was the R1 v Porch or the CBR600RR v Atom, but one of the riders was Nial McKenzie. He's ahd a bit of experience I think.
There was a bike/car meeting at Puke a couple of years ago where the production thou's were quicker than the V8's dry times, but in the wet.

[justsomeguy]

Guys before you keep dissing Clarkson remember he is an actor and that;s his personality.....

So while we all think he's a prick (and he is) he sits back in his palace and decides which of his 100,000 pound sterling cars to drive today........

As for comparing him to Tiff........ Tiff is a professional racing driver and Clarkson is the same as you and me just that he has more experience.

I agree that they should have let them both on the track one by one.... so they could see which was the fastest and not have that 1000+ kg cage block the 100+kg bike

[Wolf]

5th gear did exactly what you suggested Wolf, and while the bike beat the car it was very, very close. They did a better job of picking comparable vehicles too (Gallardo vs 749). On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.

True.

The 5th gear clip could have gone either way but at least it was a fair fight - not Clarkson's little ego wank. On the track shown, the R1 should have urinated copiously over the Porsche.

I'm not saying I could have ridden faster than that - but I've sure seen others who could.

[Motu]

On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.

It's often the other way round,the bike pulls higher top speeds.Ten years or more ago Two Wheels did a bike/car,using a Ducati WSB of the period and Wayne Gardners Commodore over 6 V8 Supercar tracks.And it was really good to have the totaly unbiased coments of Gardner,a World Motorcycle Champion and now car racer (he didn't ride the bike,just his car,I forget who rode the bike) It was an even split over the six tracks,the bike on 3,the car faster on 3 - but the bike beat the car on fast tracks.The bike just couldn't beat the car on braking and corner speed,4 huge slicks and brakes have got it over the bike,but on long tracks the downforce plays against the car,it takes a lot of HP to push against that and the bike ran away down the long straights.

[Pixie]

Clarkeson may be a funny fuck but he hates bikes.
he questions bikers' sexuality for wearing leathers,yet he is alway seen in the gay uniform (blue jeans)

If you put a car and a bike on the track at the same time the Mobile Chicane (car) will always balk the bike

Remember... the open prod bikes were doing better lap times in the wet at pukekohe than the V8 stupercars where doing in the dry at a combined meeting a few years ago!!

[Pixie]

P.S.
If there is a British vehical in one of his comparisons it will come out on top.
I can't stand the way he drbbles on about the "beauty" of Aston Martins"
How can they be? They aren't Italian.