Automatic fireblade

[XP@]

Urrrr... how often you supposed to get those auto thingies serviced ...
my wifes car has one, I don't drive it and it has too many wheels for me to consider doing any maintinence on it, 6 wheels is far too many... confusing

[Skunk]

Having had a tip-tronic car, all I can say is they had better improve the responsiveness of it.
Flick up - wait - change. Flick down - wait - change down.
How the ferk do match the throttle with that?!

[XP@]

well well well....

Looks interesting...
from what I gather the more you open the throttle the faster it goes

Google: Hondamatic

[James Deuce]

well well well....

Looks interesting...
from what I gather the more you open the throttle the faster it goes

Google: Hondamatic

There's theory, and then there's practice. In practice it just gets much, much louder.

[Motu]

I once owned a 1972 VW Beetle 1302S Automatic. A standard three-speed gearbox (Low, 1 and 2), a standard clutch and a torque-converter all coupled together. Only two pedals (go and stop) with the clutch worked by a microswitch on the gearlever. Releasing the gearlever (once in gear) and stomping on the gas would see the engine rev immediately to 2,500rpm and hold there until the rest of the system caught up. Once you got used to this it was great fun to drive. Tended to die a bit on hills (well, down to about 70kmh or 2,500rpm). But was quick off the mark and incapable of getting bogged. I once pulled an HQ Holden wagon out of the sand at Himatangi Beach without spinning a wheel! After fitting a Rayjay turbocharger, this vehicle was the ultimate GT Cortina-beater!

That was first done in the 50s with the ''Standrive'' fitted to the Standard 10,a button on the floor shift.They were also fitted to the Series II Oxford,but can't remember what name they dreamed up,the Oxford was column change.Apprentices could give extreme abuse to these vehicles by reving the shit out of them with the button down,then releasing it...

CVTs are crap,horrible things to drive,very snatchy on stop start traffic,although I was told by Honda they are adaptive to drivers,dunno how that works.Triptronics are shit,they are starting to give trouble,and are so delayed in manual shift I don't even bother trying.BMC had the best auto box - a stick on the floor with 1,2,3,4 & D,you could just pull the lever through to shift to any gear instantly - now why can't they do that 30 yrs later? That's technology eh?

[James Deuce]

Urrrr... how often you supposed to get those auto thingies serviced ...
my wifes car has one, I don't drive it and it has too many wheels for me to consider doing any maintinence on it, 6 wheels is far too many... confusing

You can get your normal garage to do it, use a specialist garage like Hutt Automatics, or find out how to do it from a service manual. The transmissions need the fluid (hydraulic fluid essentially) changed about as regularly as your engine oil is. Some trannies need to be pressurised to bleed all the old fluid out.

[Ixion]

That was first done in the 50s with the ''Standrive'' fitted to the Standard 10,a button on the floor shift.They were also fitted to the Series II Oxford,but can't remember what name they dreamed up,the Oxford was column change.Apprentices could give extreme abuse to these vehicles by reving the shit out of them with the button down,then releasing it...

Apprentices do something like that ? Naah never, I never knew an apprentice that would abuse a vehicle.

Actually Austin had a similar thing on a few of their vehicles in the '30's. And then of course there was the Daimler fluid flywheel and Wilson preselector box. Which was actually rather nice.

[Motu]

Apprentices do something like that ? Naah never, I never knew an apprentice that would abuse a vehicle.

Actually Austin had a similar thing on a few of their vehicles in the '30's. And then of course there was the Daimler fluid flywheel and Wilson preselector box. Which was actually rather nice.

There's nothing new under the sun eh? One consolation in being an old fart - when the young fullas are showing off their lastest gizzmo,we can say...''yeah,I had one just like that,30 yrs ago!''

[Ixion]

There's nothing new under the sun eh? One consolation in being an old fart - when the young fullas are showing off their lastest gizzmo,we can say...''yeah,I had one just like that,30 yrs ago!''

Yep. Like belt drives. Latest thing eh ? Sure was, 100 years ago!.

4 valve heads are another one. Ever hear of the Rudge Ulster chaps.

[inlinefour]

Whats the point in that?
I do want a blade but if an auto was all that was on offer then I would not bother...

[Morepower]

I dont like Autos except behind turbos where they can help keep the engine on boost.
Now imagine an Auto Turbo Hyabusa.... woohoo

[XP@]

I was just asking!

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[AndyH]

I owned an "automatic" Guzzi for a while - a Convert. Wasn't an auto. Had a torque convertor in place of the dry clutch you normally find on the back of a Guzzi motor. Two-speed manual gearbox, with a wet multi-plate clutch you were supposed to use when changing between high and low (but with the convertor slip the plates tended to stick so it didn't usually do much).

I'm pretty sure the various sizes (750, 400, 250?) "AT" Hondas of the mid seventies were a similar setup.

I enjoyed owning and riding the thing, but not because the transmission setup was in any way a good idea. More to savour the perversity that it existed at all. It would set off from rest in "high" and eventually reach 99mph. But the same could be said of a VFR750 in 3rd gear without the eventually...

Hey, the parking brake operated by the sidestand was pretty cool (couldn't leave the thing in gear when you parked it on a hill).

[Ixion]

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I'm pretty sure the various sizes (750, 400, 250?) "AT" Hondas of the mid seventies were a similar setup.

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I think the 750 was not an AT . I've heard that it had a proper two speed auto, courtesy of GM (? which seems odd I admit). AFAIK it was only sold in the US market, any in NZ are imports from US.

[Ixion]

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I'm pretty sure the various sizes (750, 400, 250?) "AT" Hondas of the mid seventies were a similar setup.

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I think the 750 was not an AT . I've heard that it had a proper two speed auto, courtesy of GM (? which seems odd I admit). AFAIK it was only sold in the US market, any in NZ are imports from US.

[googles like mad]

Seems it was the Hondamatic

However, not all of Honda's innovations gained widespread acceptance. Hondamatic(TM)--a torque-converter-based automatic transmission for motorcycles--was a successful technology that didn't catch the public's fancy. Electric starting had brought a lot of people to motorcycling, and Honda wondered: Would an automatic do the same? The 1976 CB750 Automatic and 1977 CB400A were remarkable machines, but riders chose high-performance over this convenience. Honda also launched two other wildly diverse products in 1977--the NC50 no-ped, an ultralight, minimalist motorbike, and the FL250 Odyssey(R) four-wheeler, a natural evolution of the ATC90.

from Here

And a photo of one is Here