ACC - Why automatically renew licences?

[Genestho]

Im sure it will cost a couple of hundred for the RE-EDUCATION.
and what are they going to teach us? the defensive driving course was aimed 110% at cars and -10% at bikes...
In fact, the hazzard identification part or the course i failed cos i was picking oil on the road, cars at stop signs(that lookd like they were guna pull out, honest!), and white lines on the road as hazzards rather than pedestrians that were walking on the sidewalk etc.

Even somone returning to motorcycling isnt going to benifit from it.
Said returning rider could well benifit from a track day to find out just how fucking fast bikes go before they start to shake and do things that their old BSA used to do, and how suddenly it happens in comparison...

(Wasn't going to post this but what the hey!I'll probably get growled) Currently a group in WBOP, are working on bringing NZQA accredited Motorcycling Training classes of 15, on Sundays, subsidised for youthriders, and if we can, extend this to 'Born Agains'.

Sounding positive, we have the teacher with the right quals, we have the plan, and the location. Research is now going into Using which budget from one of two Govt Departments. Hopefully I can bring an update later in the year!
Following this, we will run feedback reports, before during and after, and if successful, we maybe able to push for this NZ wide...MAY!

[p.dath]

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Even somone returning to motorcycling isnt going to benifit from it.
Said returning rider could well benifit from a track day to find out just how fucking fast bikes go before they start to shake and do things that their old BSA used to do, and how suddenly it happens in comparison...

First let me say I do support your stance on many issues.

So if your re-turning to riding you don't think there would be any benefit from skills based re-training?

At track day I see even the most experienced riders say they are always learning something.

I don't think training has to stop just because you've had your licence for some magical period of time.

[Genestho]

Funny you should say that. From wiki;

"Often, apathy has been felt after witnessing horrific acts, such as the killing or maiming of people"

I would'nt call it apathy. Just indifference. lol. (joke) It's hard to see the same old story over and over, and believe that these same people will ever change.

Ok, faircall Actually, I know what you mean, despite how painful life can be, it's also just part of life.
I can't do anything to change my life, and I find myself pretty desentised to alot of things now!


Now we're talking...... Defensive driving as part of your learners or restricted also would be a good start.

Totally! I think there is something addressing this in the Safer journeys Document!

[Headbanger]

I bet you sped on your last ride?

No, I had fitted a new set of bars and nearly hit an Ambo when I couldn't find my front brake lever....

Anyway, Based on my level of "training" I should never have been allowed on the road in the first place, Just like pretty much everyone else. Based on my behaviour since then I should probably have had my license revoked for life. Or at least been put through some intense reschooling.

But hey, the system says please give us money and carry on as you were.....

[Morcs]

I have enough trouble keeping my license as it is, without retesting too..

So no thanks.

[Chrislost]

I don't think training has to stop just because you've had your licence for some magical period of time.

It most definatly should not.
However the courses available at the moment do not seem to take bikes into account.

In my opinion most bikers are hooligans at heart, they remember thrashing around sliding and whatnot on some 1970s machinery.
They then go and buy some late model gsxr 1000 or what not, and to get the same feeling of thrashing they suddenly find themselves doing wow holy fuck that corner came up fast km/h panic, and ...

[The Stranger:Me]

They then go and buy some late model gsxr 1000 or what not, and to get the same feeling of thrashing they suddenly find themselves doing wow holy fuck that corner came up fast km/h panic, and ...

Don't you mean "some late model gsxr 750"?

[Pedrostt500]

[QUOTE=tigertim20;1129397747]The main mistake with this argument is simple, You are assuming that these people who havent ridden a bike for 25 years, have not driven, or been a passenger in any other type of vehicle for that time either, and thus have not seen the technologial advancements which have been made within the engineering and automotive sectors. Of course they fuckin have man!! jesus, they dont just hide under a rock for a quarter of a century! and they know this. One thing in common with a 1965 triumph, and a 2009 R1 ad everything inbetween is this: it will only go as fast as your right wrist tells it to. Anybody who's ever been on a bike knows this anyway.

So why are the returning bikers ie those who have been away from riding for a long period of time the highest statistical, group that have seriuos injury / fatal accidents?. the next grope are the Newbies.
No the return riders have not been hiding under a rock but career, Kids, House, etc plus a myriad of other reasons have kept their focus and interests else where, possibly even thinking for a number of those years that they would not return to riding a bike again.
Its not the speed that you are traveling at that causes the most injury, it is how you come to a stop, so there fore its not how hard you twist the wrist, its how you land, or what you hit.

[The Stranger:Me]

So why are the returning bikers ie those who have been away from riding for a long period of time the highest statistical, group that have seriuos injury / fatal accidents?. the next grope are the Newbies.
No the return riders have not been hiding under a rock but career, Kids, House, etc plus a myriad of other reasons have kept their focus and interests else where, possibly even thinking for a number of those years that they would not return to riding a bike again.
Its not the speed that you are traveling at that causes the most injury, it is how you come to a stop, so there fore its not how hard you twist the wrist, its how you land, or what you hit.

It comes down to a very simple, immutable fact.
Like so many things in life - If you don't use it you lose it.

[oldrider]

Another thread I'm sure will be un-popular.

I was thinking about the large number of riders who return to the bike after having a break for a long time, sometimes decades.

And then I was thinking, why do our licences re-new after 10 years without having to do anything?

What about the idea of having people attend some kind of "re-education" class before they can re-new their licence? A bit like how you have to re-new your PADI diving certificate every now and then.

And perhaps if you don't do some type of re-education your licence simply suspends until you do. Then if they don't ride for 30 years you can be reasonably confident that they'll attend some kind of training.

And for those who ride all the time - what harm will it do?

And so you say, they'll just ride with a suspended licence. I'm sure some will. But I suspect most will want insurance - and you can't get that without a licence for on-road use (and least, you can't get a pay out).
Also they are more likely to get nasty fines if stopped by the Police.

So what say all of you? Another bad idea, or it has some merit?

So, are you still an active leader of the boy scouts too?

[Chrislost]

Don't you mean "some late model gsxr 750"?

They may choose a late model GSXR 750 after they crash their 1000...
They also may run from the police unsuccesfully, get caught doing wheelies or burnouts, never get a fine in their life or even die.

[Fred Dagg]

Rather than try to 'multi quote' the previous valid - and many - threads, I would like to respond as one of those returning bikers that this thread is aimed at!!!...
Yes it would be great if we were offered a riding refresher course - it was exactly the same kind of course that I achieved my full license 'some' years ago now!!
Last time I owned a bike I managed to end up having an accident so ending up claiming my doc fees on ACC - as you do..
I think riding school courses are valid courses, but they would be more beneficial if they were open to all - and for that matter, a compulsory defensive driving course for cage drivers wouldn't go astray either..
Ideally a motorcycle mechanic course included in the refresher course would be a bonus - or am I being greedy now???