Group ride sticky

**Waihou Thumper** · 16th September 2009, 22:10

It's mine....We KTM riders fall off a lot, we swear....ALOT! and at the end of the day I blaspheme because Mark, Andy, Clint and all the others have provided a ride that makes me sore! in my 'Noddy' bed with the 'Star Wars' Duvet, looking forward to the next one......

Thanks all and sundry!
Getting home, looking forward to the the bike porn photos is the highlight....

**Woodman** · 16th September 2009, 22:14

Originally Posted by JATZ

Hey MarkS, did my lawyer ever get in touch with you ?
I seem to remember breaking 2 indicators on that NIIOTS ride you strung together

Just remembered about MrsJatz tank too.....

Get in line buddy

**The Stranger:Me** · 16th September 2009, 22:16

Originally Posted by marks

firstly - thanks for the considerable effort that you have gone to creating your group ride sticky.

And yes I take your point that its not what I want or think but what "the law" thinks but - setting aside the legalities of it all - it also appears that we could benefit from some form of general simple disclaimer which makes it quite clear to potential ride participants (for their owns safety sake) that they are the ones making decisions about their safety - not the ride organizer.

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Thank you, we do have a disclaimer of liability available, though I need to check that it adequately meets your description.
There are a lot of things that come into the disclaimer - it's not as straight forward as one may like. For example, have a look at an AMCC one, or one of the many you can find via google.

**marks** · 16th September 2009, 22:18

Originally Posted by JATZ

Hey MarkS, did my lawyer ever get in touch with you ?
I seem to remember breaking 2 indicators on that NIIOTS ride you strung together

Just remembered about MrsJatz tank too.....

I'm suprized you haven't thrown in the DR motor - it obviously fried because some irresponsible person set an unrealistic pace over a certain hill...

actually come to think of it - we were following you that day so.....

**Squiggles** · 16th September 2009, 22:20

Originally Posted by warewolf

We already do that, here in the adventure section.

Must be a good idea then! Did not see em written anywhere for a noob like me to read

**marks** · 16th September 2009, 22:23

Originally Posted by Woodman

Get in line buddy

no ride organizer can be held responsible for people who ride adventure bikes like they were mx'ers

At least I organized a bike pickup for you at Lake Rotoroa (and I made sure they had beer

)

next Bart will want me to pay for his cosmetic reconstructive surgery
(I would have to sell the house)

**Woodman** · 16th September 2009, 22:27

Originally Posted by marks

no ride organizer can be held responsible for people who ride adventure bikes like they were mx'ers

At least I organized a bike pickup for you at Lake Rotoroa (and I made sure they had beer

)

next Bart will want me to pay for his cosmetic reconstructive surgery
(I would have to sell the house)

Ok we even then, but personally I think bart should be paying you.

**Hinny** · 16th September 2009, 22:33

Originally Posted by marks

I would never organize another ride if I thought that the ride participants believed I was in any way responsible for their safety.

We might ride together and help each other but we are as responsible for our own decisions and actions as if we were riding solo

What do you think organising a ride entails?

Are the recent tragic consequences of organising a ride by merely posting one's intention to ride a route on a particular day; anybody who wants to come should meet at ...of no influence to your way of thinking?

If not, then definitely you should not organise another ride.

**Hinny** · 16th September 2009, 22:44

Originally Posted by warewolf

We already do that, here in the adventure section.

We already fairly thoroughly brief riders on what to expect, what kinda tyres will be needed (= terrain & skills expectation), ditto variations based on the weather, whether big bikes are suitable, look out for each other, encourage n00bs, make sure everyone has the basic gist of the route, point out any really nasty sections or surprises... and so on, and so forth.

Guidelines?
Food for thought maybe, but we already do that stuff.

These are the sort of guidelines I expect would be of use to everybody who wants to organise a ride.

It's looking out for your fellow man.

Doesn't always happen.

**That looks like fun** · 17th September 2009, 03:44

Nobody saw me do it,

you cant prove a thing

And that go,s for anything that hasnt happened yet as well, Ok

**marks** · 17th September 2009, 08:10

Originally Posted by Hinny

What do you think organising a ride entails?

Are the recent tragic consequences of organising a ride by merely posting one's intention to ride a route on a particular day; anybody who wants to come should meet at ...of no influence to your way of thinking?

If not, then definitely you should not organise another ride.

I must have missed something here - what tragic consequences on what ride?

can someone point me to some info?