Demerits for speeding changing?

[Hinny]

... Im going to give up

But "real honest working people" wont have an issue unless they repeatedly speed and get caught over a two year period. If you need your licence, and don't want to accept the consequences - don't speed. It really is that simple.

There is likely to be tougher changes with regards to recidivist drivers. We need to wait and see the outcome of the Safer Journeys discussion first. I'm hoping for a greater level of vehicle confiscation. Simply take the car off those that repeatedly break the the law to that degree and simply don't care.
Eventually they end up "no mates Nigel". No one will dare let them near their vehicle, and they'll run out of vehicles of their own.

You need to follow Thani's lead here.
Mind you, given that you seem to have totally 'lost it', I can't see you have anything to give... up, down or sideways.

[ynot slow]

Mate, if your job is that important then it's real simple, don't repeatedly speed over a two year period. All people have to do is slow down to the limit. It's really simple.

I had to get a work license,had to wait 1 month from sentancing to apply,had to take my boss to court,just incase the judge wanted to ask him if my job was on the line.Hardest part was working out the restriction,i.e Saturday from 9-12 when working(as it was every 2 or 3rd Sat was thrown out)mine was from 8-6pm,and had to stipulate the area,that meant making it as small a boundary as we dared.Mine off hand was based from Hawera,upto Rahotu across to Stratford and down to Patea.

When I worked for another company,the managing director lost his license for demerits,applied for work license and was told not worth it for 2 months,and he had business open 7 days.He got his son to drive him,as was in holidays and son had full so wasn't bad,or got his wife or other staff to drive him.

[Hinny]

Interesting I've always thought that the move to undercover cars was wrong - as you say a visible presence within the community works.

hiding in unmarked cars trying to catch speeders does not work as well on the community at large.

This is part of the 'Speed Kills' policy.
Studies have revealed a 50% increase in the road toll when this policy has been introduced.
Another of those counter intuitive policies. Like drug laws, morality laws, ...
The harder the push, the worse the outcome.

[Patrick]

Well it wont be.. Normal demerits are going to double.

It is a discussion document, not "this is going to happen... I "believe" what is being discussed is that demerits may be doubled on public holidays only, like they do in Oz. Not doubled now...

The other "option" is that demirits will be doubled out of course. No doubling at public holiday time. It's one or the other??????

T'was a different copper that told me otherwise.

The demerit system is "supposed" to be like that. Lose your license under the demerit system, you lose 100 points. If you had 150 points, you still have 50 when it is returned to you in three months time. I have seen this actually occur.

BUT, the system seems stuffed up. I have also seen people have the slate wiped clean with over 300 and in some cases, 500 demerits stacked up. Lose the license for 3 months only, and all 300 or 500 points were gone, clean record.

That would imply that demerit points are doubled on a public holiday now - which I don't believe is the case. I can't find anything that says this.

See above. It's a discussion document.

One or the other, not both...?

But "real honest working people" wont have an issue unless they repeatedly speed and get caught over a two year period. If you need your licence, and don't want to accept the consequences - don't speed. It really is that simple.....

Mate, if your job is that important then it's real simple, don't repeatedly speed over a two year period. All people have to do is slow down to the limit. It's really simple.

Re-Quoted for simplicity and truth. But hey, the laws of the land don't apply to some KBers, ay?

[Patrick]

This is part of the 'Speed Kills' policy.
Studies have revealed a 50% increase in the road toll when this policy has been introduced.
Another of those counter intuitive policies. Like drug laws, morality laws, ...
The harder the push, the worse the outcome.

Which might have something to do with the fact hat the plain cars are leaving the fleet, in many cases. The plain snake car here, for example, was taken from them.

[NinjaNanna]

Which might have something to do with the fact hat the plain cars are leaving the fleet, in many cases. The plain snake car here, for example, was taken from them.

This is good news, in my view only non-commissioned and undercover cops should drive unmarked vehicles.

[Ixion]

This is good news, in my view only non-commissioned and undercover cops should drive unmarked vehicles.

Technically, all cops are non commissioned. Every police officer holds the office of constable, under Her Majesty's warrant , not commission. (And may hold rank of Sergeant, Inspector, Lord High Fuck-a-Duck etc)

If the SneakySnakeMobiles are going, that is good news.

[DMCD]

Bugger, to be perfectly honest, its pretty hard not to speed at some point im up to 60dp, the first time I was trying to be sneaky and do 88k's in a 80 zone and got pinged for 110 and the second time was when I was speeding up just before the 100k zone just before Onewa turn off coming from the city and got pinged for 99ks in an 80 zone both of them were chase not radar or laser.

Often I find my bike going a tad over if I look away fro a sec or go down a hill not to mention that bike spedo's are notoriously unreliable.

I guess it will just be a matter of luck for most of the responsible riders.

[McJim]

Mate, if your job is that important then it's real simple, don't repeatedly speed over a two year period. All people have to do is slow down to the limit. It's really simple.

Can't you read? I don't need a licence for work --- at all ---- I am talking about other people - and I'm not your mate. I don't know you from a bar of soap.

Maybe that was a bit harsh. If you knew me and had read some of my posts you would know that since obtaiing a drivers licence in 1987 I have never had a speeding ticket from a cop or a camera in UK, Italy or New Zealand. I don't condone speeding on the open road. I report drivers that do stupid and dangerous things in built up areas. I have never even had a parking ticket I am so good at obeying the law.

HOWEVER. I have observed New Zealanders' behaviour on the road in the past 5 years I've been here and it's not good. I therefore predict that such harsh imposition of bans WILL result in a dramatic increase in runners and the associated fatalities.

I just get pissed off with some people's inability to fully read the posts put in front of them - you obviously have a job where attention to detail and observational skills are not required. Don't bother to reply as you are now on my huge ignore list

[caseye]

Can't you read? I don't need a licence for work --- at all ---- I am talking about other people - and I'm not your mate. I don't know you from a bar of soap.

Maybe that was a bit harsh. If you knew me and had read some of my posts you would know that since obtaiing a drivers licence in 1987 I have never had a speeding ticket from a cop or a camera in UK, Italy or New Zealand. I don't condone speeding on the open road. I report drivers that do stupid and dangerous things in built up areas. I have never even had a parking ticket I am so good at obeying the law.

HOWEVER. I have observed New Zealanders' behaviour on the road in the past 5 years I've been here and it's not good. I therefore predict that such harsh imposition of bans WILL result in a dramatic increase in runners and the associated fatalities.

I just get pissed off with some people's inability to fully read the posts put in front of them - you obviously have a job where attention to detail and observational skills are not required. Don't bother to reply as you are now on my huge ignore list

Seems to me you've just done the smartest thing possible, that makes you someone to be admired.
Yes the pity is that some will take flight instead of making sure they simply obey the posted speeds.
Nice post.

[Hinny]

If the SneakySnakeMobiles are going, that is good news.

The Haszard County Sneaky Snake-mobile was going last night.
Going Hell for Leather that is! Ginga showing off again?
Howling tyres as it braked for and then rounded the corner by the pub.

Hey Patrick,
I heard last night that you were a good c**t.
Karma at work.
Good on yer mate.
.......................

[scumdog]

This is part of the 'Speed Kills' policy.
Studies have revealed a 50% increase in the road toll when this policy has been introduced.
Another of those counter intuitive policies. Like drug laws, morality laws, ...
The harder the push, the worse the outcome.

And the road toll has risen 43% since GST went to 12.5%.....

[Coldrider]

And the road toll has risen 43% since GST went to 12.5%.....

Prompt payment discounts in $ and demerits would help, as would a 'road side' loyalty card.

[Grahameeboy]

I had to get a work license,had to wait 1 month from sentancing to apply,had to take my boss to court,just incase the judge wanted to ask him if my job was on the line.Hardest part was working out the restriction,i.e Saturday from 9-12 when working(as it was every 2 or 3rd Sat was thrown out)mine was from 8-6pm,and had to stipulate the area,that meant making it as small a boundary as we dared.Mine off hand was based from Hawera,upto Rahotu across to Stratford and down to Patea.

When I worked for another company,the managing director lost his license for demerits,applied for work license and was told not worth it for 2 months,and he had business open 7 days.He got his son to drive him,as was in holidays and son had full so wasn't bad,or got his wife or other staff to drive him.

I got my limited licence the same day I handed my licence in and went to Court so puzzled it took you a month...and my location was Auckland Region and I could go to the shops, get petrol when I did not have my Daughter

[Grahameeboy]

Can't you read? I don't need a licence for work --- at all ---- I am talking about other people - and I'm not your mate. I don't know you from a bar of soap.

Maybe that was a bit harsh. If you knew me and had read some of my posts you would know that since obtaiing a drivers licence in 1987 I have never had a speeding ticket from a cop or a camera in UK, Italy or New Zealand. I don't condone speeding on the open road. I report drivers that do stupid and dangerous things in built up areas. I have never even had a parking ticket I am so good at obeying the law.

HOWEVER. I have observed New Zealanders' behaviour on the road in the past 5 years I've been here and it's not good. I therefore predict that such harsh imposition of bans WILL result in a dramatic increase in runners and the associated fatalities.

I just get pissed off with some people's inability to fully read the posts put in front of them - you obviously have a job where attention to detail and observational skills are not required. Don't bother to reply as you are now on my huge ignore list

From 1979 to 2005 I was conviction, not tickets, not cameras and it has all been downhill since with speeding tickets...I had a good run