Demerits for speeding changing?

[NDORFN]

I don't have any problem with the dermits being used as the instrument of deterrent as opposed to cash.

The problem with a fine is that $80 maybe nothing to one person, and hence no deterent, and to another represent a month of disposable income and hence a much harsher penalty.

Demerit points apply equally to everyone, no matter how much you earn, how flash your car is, or weather you have the capacity to pay to support a bad habbit.

And well, unpopular this will be to many members, if you habitually speed (and get caught) then you will loose your licence. Simple.

Exactly! That's the most logical thing I've ever seen you post.

[slofox]

Errmmmmm better watch that 206 stuff huh?

Either that or get into it before the change takes place...

[SMOKEU]

It's about time I got the speed limiter taken out my car and I should get a 1000cc sports bike. Much harder to get demerits then.

[Morcs]

Exactly! That's the most logical thing I've ever seen you post.

We should be able to have the option... fine or demerits.

I would much rather pay a double fine than have demerits.

Reading the above document, urban areas to be 30-40kph?!! wtf there are plenty of main roads that are stupidly classed as 50kph as they are (hobsonville road, perfect example) let alone dropping them even more.

and ABS on all bikes 600cc+ after 2015, i dont see the point in this if we arent allowed to speed...

[Morepower]

This has me puzzeled ( not too hard) . The draconian policing of speed limits has seen average open road speeds drop over the last few years. This has had no real effect on the road toll. Why is doing more of the same thing going to have any different result? Its nuts.
They have drummed into everyone via the media that if you keep below 100kmh and dont drink you will be perfectly safe.
Until we all realise that vehicles are dangerous at any speed and that driving requires your full attention and a good degree of skill then bugger all will change.
Then there are those that will drive in a dangerous manner because a. they dont care or b .just dont know any better and that does not mean they are speeding. Some mum in a people mover with the kids on board tailgating in the rain at 90kmh or the guy in the next lane busy texting , sorting out his I pod , whatever.
I can see more runners , more tragedy

[marty]

This has me puzzeled ( not too hard) . The draconian policing of speed limits has seen average open road speeds drop over the last few years. This has had no real effect on the road toll.

really? ask any EMS person how many open road fatal crashes they are attending these days as opposed to pre-highway patrol days.

I can see more runners , more tragedy

so? if you run and kill yourself - too fucking bad. Darwin was right. if you run and kill someone else, that's unfortunate. who's to say that wasn't going to happen anyway. no legislation is going to protect that person unfortunately

[Ixion]

The OP's informant is out of date.

This proposal was part of a bunch of things brought out in proposed legislation by the last Labour government just before the election. Along with banning radar detectors, and some sensible ideas like a LAMS for learner riders and scrapping the 70kph limit.

The proposed legislation died the death when labour lost the election.

The idea has been floated again as part of the Road Strategy 2020 discussion document (put in your submission if you don't like it) , but is currently only "vague discussion" . Nothing specific has been brought forward.

[Morepower]

really? ask any EMS person how many open road fatal crashes they are attending these days as opposed to pre-highway patrol days.




so? if you run and kill yourself - too fucking bad. Darwin was right. if you run and kill someone else, that's unfortunate. who's to say that wasn't going to happen anyway. no legislation is going to protect that person unfortunately

Somethings not working


Injury or fatal crash statistics show increasing numbers of injury/fatal accidents;

2003 10615
2004 10368
2005 10808
2006 11291
2007 12043
2008 11647

It seems we are not crashing less , it could be argued that improved secondary safety such as air bags, a more modern safer fleet etc are saving lives not the lack of crashes.

As for runners idiots or not its tragic when someone gets hurt or injured no matter how misguided their decision at the time.

[scumdog]

Somethings not working


Injury or fatal crash statistics show increasing numbers of injury/fatal accidents;

2003 10615
2004 10368
2005 10808
2006 11291
2007 12043
2008 11647

It seems we are not crashing less , it could be argued that improved secondary safety such as air bags, a more modern safer fleet etc are saving lives not the lack of crashes.

How does the above look when linked to the increased number of vehicles and/or drivers on the roads?

[paddy]

You'd risk a short stint in jail by running from the cops? You have to be kidding right?

More to the point - risk killing yourself riding hard to escape the cops. Check out YouTube there are some good examples...

[paddy]

We should be able to have the option... fine or demerits.

I would much rather pay a double fine than have demerits.

Nooo.....that just leads to a situation where if you earn lots of money you can afford to go as fast as you like. It would be like buying the right to speed.

[paddy]

The OP's informant is out of date.

This proposal was part of a bunch of things brought out in proposed legislation by the last Labour government just before the election. Along with banning radar detectors, and some sensible ideas like a LAMS for learner riders and scrapping the 70kph limit.

The proposed legislation died the death when labour lost the election.

Really? So the 2010 Strategy changes are not going ahead? I was expecting them soon. :-( Maybe we do need to arrange for a few hundred learner riders to ride into work along the main arterials at 70 km/h then.

[caseye]

Change won't happen unless you actually get out there and do something ( really in person) like and for instance email your Local MP and the other sides Mp's the papers, Holmesy and anyone else you can think of.

None of this proposed legislation addresses what I believe is the real issue.
There is an ever increasing number of people from all walks of life, all types of society, race, colours and creeds who simply don't give a flying fig.
They lose their car, to Police, ah well, theres another just down the street.Yep they go get their mates, lose that too.
OK well I can't own a car or do I have a licence ah no worries I know I'll steal one!

Now this is just the beginning.
Then when they come to Police attention again they don't hesitate , they run! Innocent people are killed!
What do we do? we go ah well lucky it wasn't someone we knew.
What should we do?
We should demand that Govt makes laws that attack these peoples upbringing.
So that despite themsleves they get an education.
They learn that life isn't fair and that the Govt and ordinary citizens dont and wont have to take this shit anymore.
Until then we will conitnue to see horrendous acts of blatant disregard by animals who never knew what it meant to care and to their dying day never will!
It's their fault don't get me wrong, right from wrong has never changed.
Attitude has, we've let it, so has our Police force, so has our govt.
Social attitude needs to change before specifics can be addressed, but I'd suggest the above as a good starting point.

[cs363]

How does the above look when linked to the increased number of vehicles and/or drivers on the roads?

Are there any accurate figures available for the actual numbers of vehicles on the road? As opposed to currently registered vehicles I mean - I for one have 4 currently registered & WOF'd vehicles in my shed and I know for a fact I'm not the only one like this so registration figures can't be relied on as an accurate gauge of vehicles actually in use.

[Ixion]

Really? So the 2010 Strategy changes are not going ahead? I was expecting them soon. :-( Maybe we do need to arrange for a few hundred learner riders to ride into work along the main arterials at 70 km/h then.

Well, not those ones. The LAMS scheme and dropping the 70kph limit are also referred to (very briefly) in the 2020 document. Submit, on what you want as well as what you don't want.