A LEttrr to KB

[Ixion]

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I personally appreciate the input of the police members,..

Meeep. I just realised that a phrase like that leaves me *Wide* open for innuendo and pisstake!

Good thing there's no-one on this group with a grubby mind. Clearly, all of you are good, clean, innocent minded folk. Choir girls and boys, studying hard to enter the church I have no doubt. Well done. In a debauched and degenerate age it is good to know that there is a group of clean minded ,clean living, abstemious, moral and principled folk such as you

So I'll take the piss out of myself first.

[jazbug5]

never trust anyone you can blindfold with a shoelace.

*yawn*

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[scumdog]

*yawn*

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I think that *yawn* was giving them too much acknowledgement of their existence!!

[scumdog]

Emotionally I agree,but after consideration you have to see it from the police and the establishment's point of view.
As Lou pointed out she wasn't speeding and therefore wasn't driving unsafely.
She only killed a motocyclist.
And when the cop interviewed her ,her eyes were probably welling up,which explains the light charges.

Of course! We all forgot that it was the interviewing cop that decided what charges were going to be laid!! DUH!!!

[spudchucka]

you must have realized as soon as you made it known on this forum that you are a cop that you would be targetted by people with their own personal agendas

Yes and I don't have a problem with that. I've just been getting fed up with a certain few whose attitudes frustrate me.

Your everyday experience would also have made you aware that certain members of society will always be unwilling to make any attempt to see things from any perspective other than their own narrow self-interest.

Yes. It is difficult to assess the written word on a forum such as this and determine whether the person you are speaking to is one of Those people.

To some extent you must have been willing to set yourself up as a target, knowing what would ensue.

I accept that I will be the subject of abuse, critiscism etc simply because of my chosen proffesion but some of it is so pathetic and so predictable that it has become quite tiresome.

Your difficulty, as I see it, is not so much dealing with the WINJAs of this world, whose horizons are limited by their immaturity to the extent that they think personal abuse and vilification will impress anyone

I've met enough WINJA's to not be in the slightest bit upset by any abuse he wants to throw my way. Hopefully he keeps it up and gets chucked in the sin bin again.

but rather the problem of entering into open and honest dialogue with those of us who may disagree with some aspects of current policy, considering that no matter what disclaimer you might make, you will be perceived as representing or symbolizing a police point of view.

I've got no problem with open and honest dialouge. Frustration sets in when people either miss or totaly ignore the points being made and simply conclude an ill informed arguement with a rank comment.

To what extent do you feel free to express your own opinion, and to what extent does loyalty require you to defend the official line?

Pretty much everything I write here is my own opinion. If I've quoted policy I'll usually say, "this is the policy" or something like that. Where I think the police have got it wrong I'll say so. Equally where people making unfounded and incorrect critiscisms I try to offer an informed alternative.

to what extent does your daily contact with the seamier and more sordid part of humanity give you a jaundiced and cynical view of everyone's actions and motives?

It certainly does change your outlook on life in general. I think what makes cops cynical is the failings of the justice system. Cops do their best to bring offenders before the courts and then get crapped on by the justice system. We then have to explain to the victims why we got the shitty outcome. This tends to make you somewhat cynical.

Dealing with the scumsucking bottom dwellers on a daily basis just makes you more concerned for the future of your kids.

I've read all your posts with interest. As you know, we have some differences of opinion. I've tried to put forward my view of certain things reasonably calmly, and you have responded on the same level.

I accept that there will be certain issues that you and I will butt heads over but I most certainly respect you as being one of the members of this site that always has worthwhile and reasonable opinions.

Some of my views have been modified by what you've written,

That comes as a bit of a surprise.

It would be a pity if you were deterred from contributing further by the mindless rants of a few ignorant adolescents.

I'm not planning on joining the recent group of Waka jumpers even though I have had some recent encouragement since becoming a non-biker.

[Krayy]

...Pretty much EVERYONE from the age of about three and up knows that you stop for a red light....

A little off topic, but my daughter (2 and a half) surprised us on Friday by singing a new song she learned in daycare.

Twinkle, twinkle, traffic light,
On the corner, shining bright,
Red means stop, green means go,
Orange means go, very slow,
Twinkle, twinkle, traffic light
On the corner, shining bright.

Now the orange bit is a bit suss, but at least they know what a red means.

[MikeL]

A litle known fact is that half the population suffers from a peculiar form of colourblindness in which the orange appears as red.
The other half correctly perceives the orange as a slightly altered hue of green.
What is more peculiar is that the division appears to operate along gender lines. Something to do with the X and Y chromosomes, I believe...

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not questioning why I do my job, my feelings are quite certain in that regard. I have been questioning why I bother attempting to shed light on topics relating to policing and the law in general, (for the benefit of Kiwi Biker members), when it seems to fall totally on deaf ears or blind monitors, whatever the internet equivalent is.

Unfortunately, you tend to confuse opinion with fact. And, equally unfortunately, have a tendency to defend the indefensible.

[Lou Girardin]

[QUOTE=MikeL]To what extent do you feel free to express your own opinion, and to what extent does loyalty require you to defend the official line?
And an equally important question: to what extent does your daily contact with the seamier and more sordid part of humanity give you a jaundiced and cynical view of everyone's actions and motives?
These are rhetorical questions, because I don't think it's possible to give an impartial answer...
QUOTE]

Don't forget that he tried to hide his occupation for quite some time. At least until his responses made it clear he was an insider. Bikeycop, for one, was upfront from day one.
Defending the official line seems to be enforced within the Police by intimidation by the hierachy, as we saw when info was leaked recently to the media by concerned Officers.
The other questions seem to have been answered by his reaction to certain questions/posts.

[spudchucka]

Unfortunately, you tend to confuse opinion with fact. And, equally unfortunately, have a tendency to defend the indefensible.

You have a tendency to be a complete arse and hold strong opinions about things you have no understanding of. Like that indefensible shooting at Waitara, (in your opinion) only you ignore the fact that it was defended..... in the High Court.

[spudchucka]

Don't forget that he tried to hide his occupation for quite some time.

Tried to hide? Did I? Did I ever say, "What a cop me.... no not me"?

If I'd never come out and said I was a cop what difference would it make?

[Storm]

I'm not planning on joining the recent group of Waka jumpers even though I have had some recent encouragement since becoming a non-biker.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you're gonna come right and be seized by the mad impulse to buy another bike whilst randomly finding yourself passing the dealers, and thinking to yourself, "hmm might just have a quick look" , aren't you now?

[toads]

My friend leaves behind many close friends and a loving wife who only wishes justice but is resigned to see this girl walk out with a hit over the palm with a wet blanket thanks to the Police.

So sorry to read this Wari, It is typical of road crime to be so unfairly dealt with, if she had been in charge of a boat and your friend had drowned she would be facing a few years imprisonment, and she would have done far less to cause the accident also.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Lou Girardin]

To what extent do you feel free to express your own opinion, and to what extent does loyalty require you to defend the official line?
And an equally important question: to what extent does your daily contact with the seamier and more sordid part of humanity give you a jaundiced and cynical view of everyone's actions and motives?
These are rhetorical questions, because I don't think it's possible to give an impartial answer...
QUOTE]

Don't forget that he tried to hide his occupation for quite some time. At least until his responses made it clear he was an insider. Bikeycop, for one, was upfront from day one.
Defending the official line seems to be enforced within the Police by intimidation by the hierachy, as we saw when info was leaked recently to the media by concerned Officers.
The other questions seem to have been answered by his reaction to certain questions/posts.

Hmmmm, what occupation-related sins have I committed LOU??

[spudchucka]

Yeah, but you're gonna come right and be seized by the mad impulse to buy another bike whilst randomly finding yourself passing the dealers, and thinking to yourself, "hmm might just have a quick look" , aren't you now?

Its a new challenge in my life to see how long I can last without a bike.