ACC to no longer be available to crims who injure themselves committing crimes

**Ixion** · 13th October 2009, 19:40

Originally Posted by Patrick

Ay?

Used to?

All speed camera sites still have to be "approved" and "designated..."

Yes, but I have heard that there are only three approved and designated sites. North Island, South island, Stewart island.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th October 2009, 19:41

Originally Posted by rainman

Yeah me neither, within reason. Not 20k over or anything like that, serious speeding only. I already don't like paying big premiums for all the wankers out there who can't manage their speed.

Agreed... maybe up to 140 where you loose your license anyway... doesn't bother me either way

Originally Posted by rainman

What's the deal with track days? I assume injuries there are covered by ACC?

Subs and entry fees, and licenses should cover that...

**p.dath** · 13th October 2009, 19:47

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/7...-acc-criminals

Today Dr Smith said one of the areas that the Government was looking at cutting out was ACC lump sum and income compensation payments to those hurt when committing criminal acts.

The changes would not cut ACC paying for the treatment of people no matter how stupid or illegal their actions.

**p.dath** · 13th October 2009, 19:48

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

**SS90** · 13th October 2009, 19:53

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

The ramifications of "committing a crime" by speeding, reckless riding/driving etc. and causing injury could well be very interesting.

Where do you draw the line at what is "injury through committing a crime"? The example used on the news was that of p lab workers who blow themselves up in the course of their drug work. But who knows where it could go.

Hey, we might even end up with motorists being less inclined to break the law?

I am pretty sure that speeding is covered under the "summary offences act", that does make it a crime (obvioulsly), but as the very fact that it is covered under the act, it is not exactly seen as murder.

I would suspect that simply "exceeding the posted speed limit" would not negate your ACC cover....however "dangerous driving" may well do.

**SS90** · 13th October 2009, 19:54

Originally Posted by p.dath

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

Yes, because if Millie Holmes cuts her finger on her "gold weighing scales" (sic) previously she had been able to go to ACC and get a pay out for injuring herself (on her P weighing scales)

**Patrick** · 13th October 2009, 19:57

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes, but I have heard that there are only three approved and designated sites. North Island, South island, Stewart island.

**MisterD** · 13th October 2009, 19:57

Originally Posted by rainman

What's the deal with track days? I assume injuries there are covered by ACC?

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

**P38** · 13th October 2009, 20:02

Originally Posted by jrandom

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

I believe so.

Yes. Be very careful what you wish for.

**marty** · 13th October 2009, 20:04

I think that it would be simple to say 'no ACC if convicted for any purely Indictable offence, or triable summarily offence'. This would alleviate the quandary of the doctor/surgeon/EMS after the initial injury, but would preclude long-term rehab and benefit costs.

these offences: (won't open in Firefox I have discovered) http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/pub...mary_resel&p=1

**Patrick** · 13th October 2009, 20:06

Originally Posted by marty

... Sickness Benefits - a large amount of people on long-term dole were shifted to SB in the late 90's early 00's.

Labours way of reducing the dole queue.....

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 13th October 2009, 20:08

Originally Posted by Patrick

Labours way of reducing the dole queue.....

yup... pitty it still all comes out of the same pocket though...

**Mully** · 13th October 2009, 20:08

Originally Posted by jrandom

Will this apply to motorcyclists who crash while breaking the speed limit?

Be careful what you wish for.

Entirely academic. No-one on here breaks Her Majesty's speed limits.

**p.dath** · 13th October 2009, 20:18

Originally Posted by MisterD

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

I'm pretty sure that as part of having a track day the organiser have to make a payment to ACC, and that gives you cover on the track.

I think there is even some kind of death cover!