ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

[Mom]

I wonder if the powers that be are even registering our ire?

A few more of these articles and they might be starting to think a bit more

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10604235

Nice quote of stats there young Squiggles

[DidJit]

I don't like the word 'plot' in the headline — dismissive and disrespectful IMHO. 'Plan' would have been a better choice of word.

[RiderInBlack]

I wonder if the powers that be are even registering our ire?

A few more of these articles and they might be starting to think a bit more

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10604235

Nice quote of stats there young Squiggles

We will really have to challange this "18 more times" bit. From acticle:
Although the Ministry of Transport says the risk of death or injury for motorcyclists is more than 18 times higher than for car drivers travelling over equal distances, according to its national survey, Mr Dodge said average medical costs were lower.

This "bikes are 16 times more dangerous than cars" figure keeps being quoted.

On MoT figures for number of car crashes versus number of bike crashes, it's wrong, the correct number is about 3 x.

But ACC claim the figure is based on a "survey of kilometres travelled". But can provide no further backing

Have you any indication of provenance for this 16 x figure? And of the methodology used to determine the kilometres travelled? (which I suspect will be decidedly shonky)

Now 3 times sound more to the facts. Have we hard Stats ta back this?

[ital916]

If the parking is full is there alternative parking areas around the "danish house"? Never been to the area before. Also assuming we can dump our gear somewhere inside? Im expecting a BIG turnout.

[Ixion]

We will really have to challange this "18 more times" bit. From acticle:
Although the Ministry of Transport says the risk of death or injury for motorcyclists is more than 18 times higher than for car drivers travelling over equal distances, according to its national survey, Mr Dodge said average medical costs were lower.

Now 3 times sound more to the facts. Have we hard Stats ta back this?

See this thread (posts 18 onward or thereabouts) for blowing up of the spurious 16x claim . I'm still working on shredding it some more.

We have hard stats (MoT) to back up the 3x figure

[Mysty]

is this open for everybody (with a bike)
or must you be a member

[Ixion]

Open to all (with or without bike), . If anything comes to a formal vote (unlikely), you have to be a financial member to vote. But anyone can attend

[R-Soul]

A more dramatic and extremist argument would be that if less cars were on the road, the entire system would be safer for bikes. Therefore all cars should be taxed so hard that they all turn to bikes. But this is simply not realistic.

If the govt. really wants to reduce the payouts for accidents, they should put in schemes that deal with the main causes of the accidents. I have looked at the stats on LTNZ’s website and there appear to be three main problem areas:
- Riders losing control of their bikes
- The effect of speed, alcohol and drugs.
- Bikes not being seen by cars

A significant proportion (35%) of motorbike accidents are because of the rider losing control of their own bike and/or head on collisions. This can be remedied by requiring compulsory attendance to medium and advanced level training and refresher courses (preferably at a local track). Most riders will actually welcome this, since most would actually like to do this, but cannot afford it, and compulsory attendance will mean larger classes, and reduced costs for such courses.

39% of bike injuries occur at intersections- presumably because bikes are not seen by cars. This can be at least helped by requiring compulsory wearing of high visibility jackets by motorcyclists, or large reflectors to be attached to bikes.

Alcohol, drugs and speed are associated with about half of all motorcycle (and car) accidents. If any particular group is to be targeted, these abusers should be it. Currently vehicle rego’s cannot be paid without attending to outstanding fines or other offences. I propose this: ACC levies can be increased or decreased on a sliding system (like the current points system) depending on the number of recent speeding fines and/or alcohol related offences.

This system would do more to hit the root cause of injuries than arbitrarily penalising all motorcyclists for the recklessness of a small percentage of them. Also, the alcohol legal limit for motorbikes can (quite justifiably and reasonably) be reduced to zero – I know for a fact that I would not want to be riding any bike after even one beer. Further, fines for alcohol related offences can (justifiably) be increased by an ACC levy.

[R-Soul]

anyone else from the shore going to the meeting on wed night? If so, how bout we meet up at the mobil on northcote road and head in?

Sure- what time? The meeting is at 7:30pm, so around 6:30pm- give us time to park as well.

PS have a look at this site - it makes a lot of sense...

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/first-...ture-a-crisis/

[Mystic13]

I thought from earlier posts we could become members on the night.

Is that correct?

[Mystic13]

Where can we get stats on the total number of motorcycles registered and the total over 600cc. I'd like to see the stats of % of motorcycles over 600cc compared to the % of ACC costs for these bikes and the percentage of incidents for these bikes.

[TerminalAddict]

I thought from earlier posts we could become members on the night.

Is that correct?

word from Les Misérables is that tomorrow (today) will be too busy.

They'll likely take names and email and contact you later

[Kwakajack]

I have thought seriously about this acc shit. I think that it should be a user pays system..instead of increasing rego's how about increasing the fuel price by 5-10 cents per litre??NOW I KNOW YOU MIGHT THINK IM MAD BUT! ! ! the govt is picking on bikes/cars in rego's but statistically the most accidents happen on a skifield or a rugby field yet these guys dont pay levies...however if they drive to their particular sport/passion then they do pay [in their fuel]..im a sales rep who drives approx 1500 k's per week and yet my rego is the same as the little old lady who might drive to the supermarket once a week...why should she pay the same amount of rego as me???not really fair on her is it?,basically NZers need fuel to do what they do..how about all the boaties or motocross riders that pay NO acc levies for their choosen hobby??? if there was a fuel increase to cover the acc levies then it wont matter what your hobby/sport/lifestyle is...you pay a little more to do it..this way the govt would actually make more to cover acc rather than more bikers not paying rego at all...sure as hell i wont pay that figure! ! ! ! but i wont mind paying more in my fuel cost to do what i want to do? ! ? ! ? ! does it make sense? ? ?

This is something BRONZ as a national organisation has been pushing for for some years now. So there are plenty of like minded motorcyclists out there

[buellbabe]

Quick question...
There are gonna be a LOT of bikers AND bikes at this meeting...is anyone gonna be doing security for all our pride&joy machines parked outside?

When I used to go to HOG meetings we all just dropped a gold coin in a hat at the door to pay the guy who would stay outside to keep an eye on the bikes...

I do know where the Danish Society house is and just cos its in an industrial area doesn't mean the parking is secure...Am I just paranoid?

[Mom]

Where can we get stats on the total number of motorcycles registered and the total over 600cc. I'd like to see the stats of % of motorcycles over 600cc compared to the % of ACC costs for these bikes and the percentage of incidents for these bikes.

Have a look in here, I did some research on this a while ago

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=92937