ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

**jeffs** · 22nd October 2009, 19:34

From the close up interview, this is one of many questions I still cant get my head around.

Perhaps this question could be asked of Price water house the ACC auditors.

If there are 106,000 registered bikes and it cost ACC $62,545,000 in claims why do they think the true ACC charge they are saving us from should be $3000.

What have I got wrong.

62,545,000 / 106,000 = $590

The 106,000 does not include the 30,393 mopeds/scooters under 50cc or the sum would be

62,545,000 / 136,393 = $458

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 22nd October 2009, 19:36

Originally Posted by jeffs

If there are 106,000 registered bikes and it cost ACC $62,545,000 in claims why do they think the true ACC charge they are saving us from should be $3000.

What have I got wrong.
62,545,000 / 106,000 = $590
The 106,000 does not include the 30,393 mopeds/scooters under 50cc or the sum would be

62,545,000 / 136,393 = $458

thats the point of the arguement... but it also assumes all bike are registered for the full year
130,213 (current fleet including mopeds) x 3700 (was the quote) = $481,788,100 (just under a .5 of billion. The total number of claims is only 1.7b)

total claims combined for the car and motorcycle is only 270million

**Mom** · 22nd October 2009, 19:37

Originally Posted by short-circuit

I saw you briefly moving swifting towards the toilets - didn't look like you wanted to be held up.

Yeah, well I took the chairmans advice and went "wees" while the meeting was happening, bloody woolworths bladders and all that

**motorcyclesonline.net** · 22nd October 2009, 19:46

The head honsho from the ACC on Close Up tonight was not convincing

**motorcyclesonline.net** · 22nd October 2009, 19:49

Bloody accountants

Originally Posted by jeffs

From the close up interview, this is one of many questions I still cant get my head around.

Perhaps this question could be asked of Price water house the ACC auditors.

If there are 106,000 registered bikes and it cost ACC $62,545,000 in claims why do they think the true ACC charge they are saving us from should be $3000.

What have I got wrong.

62,545,000 / 106,000 = $590

The 106,000 does not include the 30,393 mopeds/scooters under 50cc or the sum would be

62,545,000 / 136,393 = $458

**outlawtorn** · 22nd October 2009, 20:06

Good turnout last night, good to see heaps of people there and lots of familiar faces!

Thanks to all the guys and gals that made the effort!

**Attis** · 22nd October 2009, 20:34

Hi,
Just some stats ...

2007 - 2008
Active claims - cost - cost/claim (rounded)

Cars: 8,529 - 208,343,000 - $24,400
Motorcycles: 3,174 - 62,545,000 - $19,700

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Cycles: 807 - 15,543,000 - 19,200
Pedestrian: 1,376 - 28,472,000 - 20,600
OTHER: 155 - 2,367,000 - 15,200
UNKNOWN: 379 - 11,046,000 - 29,000 (whatta?!)

Does anybody know what "other" and "unknown" mean/cover?

Source: http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...aims/IS0800020

**Phurrball** · 22nd October 2009, 20:58

Originally Posted by jrandom

(Snippity)
And yeah, that RNZ chick was really oozing negative vibes. I didn't realise what she was all about until nearly at the end. I actually spent most of the meeting rudely standing right in front of her because I assumed that the made-up girl with no motorcycle gear must've been some sort of hired help who'd stuck around to watch.

I spotted the RNZ mic' pretty early on. It's a pretty disappointing report from Laura Davis I have to say - I expected better from RNZ National.

Selected soundbites supporting an editorial focus on disruption with Ulysses apparently a 'lone voice' for peaceful protest.

(III's rousing call to 'militantly disrupt in an unpeaceable manner' being the only comment from the floor in being reproduced in full prior to short interviews from Les [BRONZ] and Bob [Ulysses] )

Can't say that was what I took from it at all...more at general high dissatisfaction and numerous ideas as to how to proceed...sigh...

Here's the MP3 report to download/stream.

Might have to email Morning Report and communicate my disappointment since I'm a regular listener...

**Ixion** · 22nd October 2009, 21:14

Originally Posted by Motu

It was a pretty good turn out...I hope BRONZ got plenty of new members.But as one guy pointout out - 30 years ago......

We filled the Auckland Town Hall,had Queen St totally covered in bikes.We had some leaflets printed up for our part and went around handing them out.A lot of riders turned up 30 years ago....and we didn't have the internet then...just very good communication in our motorcycling scene.

What year was that ? I was there but I can't remember what year it was

**Motu** · 22nd October 2009, 21:25

Originally Posted by Ixion

What year was that ? I was there but I can't remember what year it was

Eeeeee,with no official records in the house,I've been trying to pinpoint it with events in our lives...I reckon it must have been 1979....so 30 years is spot on.Some of the guys I was sitting with last night remembered it too.It was a really charged event,we were really hyped up about it - the first time motorcycle riders of every ilk banded together with a common cause.It was to do with rego costs....but don't know what the outcome was,did we succeed or not?...?

**jeffs** · 22nd October 2009, 21:57

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

thats the point of the arguement...

Sorry I was being sarcastic, by asking the question

But if IXON ever does get the ACC figures I hope he shares. As we all want a look at them.

He might want to check the year on them, because it still could be the 1998 report the Smith it quoting from. ( that was sarcasm also ).

**Ixion** · 22nd October 2009, 22:02

Originally Posted by Motu

Eeeeee,with no official records in the house,I've been trying to pinpoint it with events in our lives...I reckon it must have been 1979....so 30 years is spot on.Some of the guys I was sitting with last night remembered it too.It was a really charged event,we were really hyped up about it - the first time motorcycle riders of every ilk banded together with a common cause.It was to do with rego costs....but don't know what the outcome was,did we succeed or not?...?

From memory, yes.

1979 ; 1993 ; 2009 . Remarkable, seems every 15 years or so hthe ACC go doo-lalley about bikes. Is it something to do with planetary influences of womething?

**swbarnett** · 22nd October 2009, 22:47

Originally Posted by AD345

When do we burn something?

How about we get 10s of thousands of registration labels and burn them in one big pile on the steps of parliament?

**Mystic13** · 22nd October 2009, 23:01

Originally Posted by AD345

There needs to be a way for fellow KB'rs to recognise each other.......

I recognised Mom and Maha and BD and Ixion of course, surely it must have been GIJoe at the C&B in Ellerslie afterwards (those red camos are a kind of trademark right?). Careful sleuthing enables me to figure out which was likely to have been Klingon but I'm gutted not to have been able to pick out the Katman, thinking back now though I might have a vague idea and that would lead me to guess who PB was as well

Lol, Yep I got Ixion, Klingon, Gi Joe, Danae, PirateJafa, didn't realise the rest of you were there.