ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

**jeffs** · 27th October 2009, 23:03

So who is pushing ACC's buttons ? The Bloody AA, and I am a paying member. BUT NOT FOR LONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/roa...motorists.aspx
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"A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists.

Did you know?

Motorcycles make up 2% of the vehicles on New Zealand roads, but:

* are seven times more likely to be injured than other road users
* account for 17% of road-related injury costs to ACC "
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Funny considering Even The ACC admit that in-attention of cars is one of the 2 main reasons for bike crashes.

http://www.acc.co.nz/preventing-inju...e-road/PI00052

"While one of the top two causes of those crashes is the motorcyclist losing control, the other cause is a motorist simply not seeing the rider."

I Never realised how much the AA hated bikers until I read their web site.

**Ixion** · 27th October 2009, 23:06

NO!

those who are AA members - DO NOT RESIGN

I just joined up. Why? Cos it's a hell of a lot easier to capture a foirtress from inside than by escalade.

AA have stabbed Kiwi motorcyclists in the back. We need to take them down.

But we can best do that from the inside. By being members. members get to vote! AA meetings are sparsely attended. A solid bloc of biker voters could do a great deal .

Don't get out! Get even!

**jeffs** · 27th October 2009, 23:11

Axion had your read their website before this ? This was news to me, what an absolute bunch of shits. ( And I don't normally swear )

**jeffs** · 27th October 2009, 23:38

From the AA UK site.

http://www.theaa.com/insurance/news/...torbikers.html

" Simon Douglas, director of AA Insurance, says: "Tragically, 80% of all motorcycle accidents are the fault of road users other than the motor cyclist. For car and commercial vehicle drivers it's very easy to miss seeing an approaching motorbike, especially in congested areas."

So the UK arm of the AA will admit that the car drivers cause most of the bike accidents.

But the Bloody NZ AA say.

"Who gives a crap. If a car hits a bike, make the bike pay. The car wouldn't have hit the bike, if it was not on the road, and we the AA will lobby the government to make it happen."

The total hypocrisy of New Zealand AA.

**Ixion** · 27th October 2009, 23:40

Originally Posted by jeffs

Axion had your read their website before this ? This was news to me, what an absolute bunch of shits. ( And I don't normally swear )

About the last three years they've had their knife into bikers. It's some personal vendetta of Mike (?) Noon . He just hates bikes. But it's gotten MUCH more rancid the last six months.

**jeffs** · 27th October 2009, 23:43

And I have 2 cars and a Bike, and have been an AA member for over 15 years. Stab me in the back AA !!! I wonder how many bikers are AA members ? Working from the inside of AA or outside, this make me feel more betrayed than the ACC charges.

**jeffs** · 27th October 2009, 23:49

Isn't the AA an insurance company. If I hit an other car, don't I loose my no claims, not the car I hit. When did an insurance company start lobbying to have the victim pay all the costs.

**Ixion** · 27th October 2009, 23:51

Yes. I actually feel more bitter about the AA than the ACC or the government. For the ACC, it's just a bean counting exercise. We cost them money they want us to pay more. I can understand that , I don't agree it's fair , but I can see where they are coming from.

The government just see us as an untidy loose end. We aren't rulkers, yet we refuse to be ruled. I don't think Mr Key has any personal animosity, he just sees us as irrelevant to the National vision. He'd happily send us to the gas chanmbers, but without any actual hatred.

But the AA, they are motivated by nothing but sheer malice and malevolence. They don't want bikers off they road because we cost money, like ACC , Or because we don't fit neatly into the rulers and ruled equation ,like the National party. They simply want us off the road because they hate us.

**Ixion** · 27th October 2009, 23:52

Originally Posted by jeffs

Isn't the AA an insurance company. If I hit an other car, don't I loose my no claims, not the car I hit. When did an insurance company start lobbying to have the victim pay all the costs.

Nope . AA insurance have a permanent guaranteed no claims bonus. Even if you kill a dozen motorcyclists a year, you get to keep your no claims bonus. Go figure.

**jeffs** · 28th October 2009, 00:00

I'm going to bed to dream up ways of hurting the AA, because I have been funding the crap they are advocating and it p***es me off.

Yes I get the ACC, like lots of others my question to them is not why? but why so much ?

Yes I get the government deflecting other issues by playing the ACC card ( that's politics )

But MY BIKE IS INSURED WITH THE AA, and that just totally pi..... me off.

**jeffs** · 28th October 2009, 00:03

One last question to you Axion, did you get the REAL numbers for total accidents caused by car on bike, or are ACC and MOT still playing dumb. I know there have been lots of people saying 60%, but do you have hard printed numbers, not biker guesses. I have searched but not found a report that breaks these figures out in NZ.

**jeffs** · 28th October 2009, 00:14

The best I can find is the CAS report, but this does not show car/bike.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...%20crashes.pdf

**Ixion** · 28th October 2009, 00:17

CAS data is seriously defective. It totally relies on the cop at the accident scene punctiliously filling in very complicated forms. The cop has more important things to do, and too much paperwork already. He does not fill them in properly. Garbage in, garbage out.

**Brian d marge** · 28th October 2009, 00:25

Originally Posted by jeffs

So who is pushing ACC's buttons ? The Bloody AA, and I am a paying member. BUT NOT FOR LONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Never realised how much the AA hated bikers until I read their web site.

+1 and my credit card and my wife to

Stephen

Should be made a sticky

**peasea** · 28th October 2009, 05:24

Originally Posted by Ixion

NO!

those who are AA members - DO NOT RESIGN

I just joined up. Why? Cos it's a hell of a lot easier to capture a foirtress from inside than by escalade.

AA have stabbed Kiwi motorcyclists in the back. We need to take them down.

But we can best do that from the inside. By being members. members get to vote! AA meetings are sparsely attended. A solid bloc of biker voters could do a great deal .

Don't get out! Get even!

Have to agree, much better tactic. The AA needs to pull it's head in.