How about we take a deep breath...

[MadDuck]

Likewise, and hopefully one of the mods will see my suggestion for a sticky so that all the relevant info is easy to find. This is important!

It would take a brave Mod that has a crap load of time to try and sift through all this and make a relevant sticky.....

[cs363]

It would take a brave Mod that has a crap load of time to try and sift through all this and make a relevant sticky.....

Maybe just the basics? Contact details for submissions/MP's etc, BRONZ website and so on....but I hear what you're saying...

[Ixion]

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Does an organisation like BRONZ have the right to request an independant study into all motorcycle related ACC claims to see what percentage pertain to road bikes?

We can request. But I doubt we can demand.

[Qkchk:Me]

It would take a brave Mod that has a crap load of time to try and sift through all this and make a relevant sticky.....

Really need someone to take the reigns as its gonna get hard to decipher fact from crap.

[Genestho]

Really need someone to take the reigns as its gonna get hard to decipher fact from crap.

Mom's started a resource thread, gotta stop people from talking crap in there though.

[monkeymcbean]

most off roaders ride on the road too, well most of the happy happy love love types anyway!
imagine charging us two Registration fees! road and off road.....now thats another story for anyone who has more than one bike, i used to own 3 and the reg nearly killed me back then

So okay i agree if you have a road bike as well, your going to cop the new price hike, and those that have more than one, its going to be huge even thoug they can only ride one bike at a time!

So those who only have a off road unregistered bike, as you do not have to register it...right. I have friends who only ride off road and they seem for ever injured through there riding, do you not think this is not fair that it is motorcycle riding activity which caused the injury and that they should not contribute more to ACC fee?

I know they pay a bit in registration fees for a race, but not everyone races.

[monkeymcbean]

most off roaders ride on the road too, well most of the happy happy love love types anyway!
imagine charging us two Registration fees! road and off road.....now thats another story for anyone who has more than one bike, i used to own 3 and the reg nearly killed me back then

So okay i agree if you have a road bike as well, your going to cop the new price hike, and those that have more than one, its going to be huge even though they can only ride one bike at a time!

So those who only have a off road unregistered bike, as you do not have to register it...right. I have friends who only ride off road and they seem for ever injured through there riding, do you not think this is not fair that it is motorcycle riding activity which caused the injury and that they should not contribute more to ACC fee?

I know they pay a bit in registration fees for a race, but not everyone races.

[cs363]

So okay i agree if you have a road bike as well, your going to cop the new price hike, and those that have more than one, its going to be huge even thoug they can only ride one bike at a time!

So those who only have a off road unregistered bike, as you do not have to register it...right. I have friends who only ride off road and they seem for ever injured through there riding, do you not think this is not fair that it is motorcycle riding activity which caused the injury and that they should not contribute more to ACC fee?

I know they pay a bit in registration fees for a race, but not everyone races.

There's a submission right there.....

[scumdog]

I think it's time that every responsible motorcyclist speaks out about the idiocy that infests the likes of the Coro Loop and the Akaroa GP.

Until we do so loudly and publicly, we're seen as a whole to be tacitly supporting such antics.

True.

I just hope no politician ever reads KB and spots the posts on: doing a runner, doing monos, bins due to stupidity, kicking mirrors off cars, never bothering with regs. & wofs, slicks on the street, excessive speed etc.
Otherwise they will think motorbike riders are mostly less than responsible.

[southernmike]

I'm still looking for cogent arguments about why we shouldn't have to pay what ACC claim we cost .

Protests work a lot better if we can offer some valid reasons why the increases are unfair or unjustified.

Not seen any so far.

Use ACC's argument that ACC is a "no fault" system (except if you own a motorcycle it seems!)

[MadDuck]

I just hope no politician ever reads KB and spots the posts on: doing a runner, doing monos, bins due to stupidity, kicking mirrors off cars, never bothering with regs. & wofs, slicks on the street, excessive speed etc.
Otherwise they will think motorbike riders are mostly less than responsible.

Hmmmm....and NO politician has EVER broken the law or bent the rules. And of course we would NEVER consider a politician to be less than responsible now would we?

[scumdog]

Hmmmm....and NO politician has EVER broken the law or bent the rules. And of course we would NEVER consider a politician to be less than responsible now would we?

That doesn't mmatter to them.
What does matter is they could use the info I posted to point out how we are now getting what we deserve for being so irresponsible.

Sadly WT has some valid points on his thread.

[Genestho]

Use ACC's argument that ACC is a "no fault" system (except if you own a motorcycle it seems!)

Bloody good argument as well, that sucker.

[MarkH]

I'm still looking for cogent arguments about why we shouldn't have to pay what ACC claim we cost .

Protests work a lot better if we can offer some valid reasons why the increases are unfair or unjustified.

Not seen any so far.

How about this:

If they don't put up the levies for bikes then car drivers are subsidizing bike riders - But since car drivers are responsible for at least SOME of the bike claims then that is not entirely unfair.

So ACC doesn't have enough money coming in - they want to increase the bill to bikers because they pay out heaps each year for biking accidents.
But they pay out more each year for sporting injuries and they aren't going after people that play sports, why not?
They also pay out more for DIY injuries, but there isn't a huge levy on ladders & circular saw, why not?

Why are we to be the ones to pay up?

One thing about the car drivers covering the shortfall for motorcyclists - apart from the accidents that the car drivers cause, some of the money collected from car drivers is actually from motorcyclists themselves - plenty of bikers also own cars!

Also the gross unfairness of this proposed levy increase is incredible - someone buys a Vespa PX-150 and they pay the same levy as a squid on a GSXR-600 or R6 - WTF? An experienced rider that has held a bike license for 40+ years without a single claim is getting charged how much for registering his 1200cc tourer?

Not everyone with a bike is a rich bugger riding a flash luxury toy. Plenty of riders are students or super annuitants. Someone riding an SV650 is not necessarily a high speed racer. I could buy a 750cc bike in good running condition for less than $2K from trademe - over $800 to reg it for a year is just bloody ridiculous!

Take a look at these 2 emoticons guess which one is ACC and which one is the motorcyclist!

[talbertnz]

How about this:

If they don't put up the levies for bikes then car drivers are subsidizing bike riders - But since car drivers are responsible for at least SOME of the bike claims then that is not entirely unfair.

So ACC doesn't have enough money coming in - they want to increase the bill to bikers because they pay out heaps each year for biking accidents.
But they pay out more each year for sporting injuries and they aren't going after people that play sports, why not?
They also pay out more for DIY injuries, but there isn't a huge levy on ladders & circular saw, why not?

Why are we to be the ones to pay up?

One thing about the car drivers covering the shortfall for motorcyclists - apart from the accidents that the car drivers cause, some of the money collected from car drivers is actually from motorcyclists themselves - plenty of bikers also own cars!

Also the gross unfairness of this proposed levy increase is incredible - someone buys a Vespa PX-150 and they pay the same levy as a squid on a GSXR-600 or R6 - WTF? An experienced rider that has held a bike license for 40+ years without a single claim is getting charged how much for registering his 1200cc tourer?

Not everyone with a bike is a rich bugger riding a flash luxury toy. Plenty of riders are students or super annuitants. Someone riding an SV650 is not necessarily a high speed racer. I could buy a 750cc bike in good running condition for less than $2K from trademe - over $800 to reg it for a year is just bloody ridiculous!

Take a look at these 2 emoticons guess which one is ACC and which one is the motorcyclist!

Thats what I wanted to post pretty much as well totally agree with you!
I had a sports accident and was of work for a 2 months. never payd any xtra acc for that but got the income compensation.
ALso a 250 cc single 4stroke chopper thingamy vs 250cc aprilia rs250 with 70 odd hp what do you think of that?

If we want to get anywhere with a protest we need the FACTS!!!
Anyone got time to call ACC today??