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[Katman]

They way I read it is

33% are bike only and Bikers fault (Sounds right)

67%of bike accidents involve another vehicle and 62% are the other vehicles fault.
Therefore 5% of Bike Vs car are the bikers fault and 62% are the Cars fault? (Sounds right)

Therefore 33% plus 5% =38%

Your maths is as bad as Griffin's.

[bogan]

i read it as 62% of 67%, which is 42% other vehicle fault, so ill agree with Katman here, still, that means 42% of the 60-odd million bill should be sent to the cagers, of course it is a no-fault system so maybe thats why they arent billed for it?

[spookytooth]

Interesting, the vote no is going up by like 100votes per minute

some say if u just click like crazy on the vote button

[firefighter]

Where's the "yes motorcyclists should pay more, but a $500 levvy increase is excessive" option?!

We should really pay a little more, it's the size of the "more" that is the killer.

If they put it up $100-$200 across the board it would be more palateable and reasonable. I'll be selling my bike and going to a 600cc if this figure stays the same as I ca'nt afford it.

I'll be going from a 900cc Hornet, to a 600cc supersport bike......which one is safer again?

If we have to have a huge levvy increase, so should the kids who drive overpowered Jappas.....they too are also more likely to crash, just ask the insurance companies.

It's a crap way of doing it, a 650cc Hyosung will cost more than an R6............what a joke.

[Marmoot]

at over 19thousand votes so far, I confidently believe this is the highest-responded poll ever run by Stuff.

And glad to say over 81% says the proposed ACC levy is unfair.

That means over 15 thousand people says it is unfair. And I am sure it includes a lot of car drivers.

Stop marginalising against car drivers and focus on the unfairness proposed by ACC. It is not the car drivers that is the problem, it is the ACC management!

[jetboy]

When I voted... (the top bar is YES, the middle is NO, and the bottom is DUNNO)

[Swoop]

I just figured this out, there seems to be a lot of people at my company who want to vote no

Strange. We appear to have the same...

[StoneY]

Thats better its now 83% NO

[mossy1200]

i read it as 62% of 67%, which is 42% other vehicle fault, so ill agree with Katman here, still, that means 42% of the 60-odd million bill should be sent to the cagers, of course it is a no-fault system so maybe thats why they arent billed for it?

but the car bike crashes are serious ones and would COST more than the average claim so in dollar figures what the percentage.I have requested this information from acc.

[Ixion]

24000 'No' votes now!

[Griffin]

And quite frankly, this is a prime example of the fact that, if those who aren't capable of understanding facts and figures run off half-cocked, we stand the very real chance of looking stupid.

You add it which ever way gives you your jollies. At the end of the day, your arguing against the wrong person... I am a biker against excessive levies that will take away my ability to enjoy something I love doing.

Its not misunderstanding the intricacies of which percentage is this vs which percentage is that that will make us look stupid... its bickering amongst ourselves that will make us look stupid. Unfortunately, there are some amongst us who can do nothing better. Eh Katman?

[Katman]

Its not misunderstanding the intricacies of which percentage is this vs which percentage is that that will make us look stupid... its bickering amongst ourselves that will make us look stupid. Unfortunately, there are some amongst us who can do nothing better. Eh Katman?

Yes - clearly.

Shit Katman... did you READ my post before adding your drivel?

[dipshit]

67%of bike accidents involve another vehicle and 62% are the other vehicles fault.
Therefore 5% of Bike Vs car are the bikers fault and 62% are the Cars fault? (Sounds right)

No. If car vs bike is 62% car's fault, then remaining 38% of car vs bike is bike's fault. Then add motorcycle only accidents on top of that.

NZLT figures can be found here... http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...-Factsheet.pdf

It is not a case of "most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers" like so many around here have been misled to believe.

[dipshit]

but the car bike crashes are serious ones and would COST more than the average claim so in dollar figures what the percentage.I have requested this information from acc.

Not so. Car vs bike tend to happen more in built-up low speed areas resulting in more minor injuries.

Motorcycle only accidents tend to happen more on the open road at higher speeds and result in more serious injuries and fatal accidents.

[Reckless]

http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-levy-hike...7/Default.aspx

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