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[MSTRS:Me]

Much mileage can be made (by both sides) of the apparent rider fault in some 50-58% of ALL single/multi vehicle bike crashes combined. Some 62% of ALL bike crashes involve a car, and about 67% of those crashes are the car driver's fault.
Does anyone know what % of all multi vehicle car crashes involve a bike?
I ask this because, it may hopefully illustrate how car drivers contribute to our injury stats as compared to their own.

[bones135]

Not sure if this helps anyone or even if its been psoted but it was the best i could find in the limited spare time i had at wrok,lol
http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...icsAugust2009/
Hope it helps

[Laxi]

I'd be interested to know what the motorcycle related economy is worth, also what ammount bikers bring in to charities through toy runs and the like. anybody know where to look for those stats?

[Downloaded]

1900 new claims for Soccer??? is one dangerous sport!!!

[Ixion]

BTW the 62 million figure is correct but very misleading.

That figure is for 2008. But it covers the cost of 3173 active claims. BUT - only 1336 of those claims were for accidents in 2008.

And the 12million , so much quoted ,was the collection for 2008 only.

And, because ACC is now a full funding model, the claims for previous years will have been fully funded in those years. That is, if a claim occurs in 2007, then in 2007 ACC will put aside enough to cover the cost of that claim in 2007 AND ALL SUBSEQUENT YEARS.

So, cost of claims prior to 2008 HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR. They don't have to be paid from the 2008 revenue.

Doing a bit of maths, based on th eavergae cost of those 3173 claims, and extending it across the 1336 NEW claims, gives 26 million as the cost of 2008 claims

And, if that revenue was what it should be , based on the number of REGISTERED bikes, it would be about 19 million. Not much of a short flal at all to 26 million

[CherryB]

Much mileage can be made (by both sides) of the apparent rider fault in some 50-58% of ALL single/multi vehicle bike crashes combined. Some 62% of ALL bike crashes involve a car, and about 67% of those crashes are the car driver's fault.
Does anyone know what % of all multi vehicle car crashes involve a bike?
I ask this because, it may hopefully illustrate how car drivers contribute to our injury stats as compared to their own.

I'm planning to ask ACC the question - using diff cc ratings and asking about motorcycle license status, where the 'fault' came from - I suspect a lot come from the unlicensed (scooter) and learner/restricted, but they are applying the high 58% (primary or partial fault) figure to the average higher cost per injury for bigger bikes...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Much mileage can be made (by both sides) of the apparent rider fault in some 50-58% of ALL single/multi vehicle bike crashes combined. Some 62% of ALL bike crashes involve a car, and about 67% of those crashes are the car driver's fault.
Does anyone know what % of all multi vehicle car crashes involve a bike?
I ask this because, it may hopefully illustrate how car drivers contribute to our injury stats as compared to their own.

• We could put flat fee ACC levy on all vehicles bought including boats, trailers and caravans. Even if it is only $50.
• Make all farm vehicles warrantable considering they are carry people about the farm.
• Flat fee on WOF's (say $5 or $10) on all warrantable vehicles and trailers.
• ie 2,919,151 vehicles (again not not counting trucks or the extra above etc and assuming that all these are once a year, but there will be a good percentage that are every 6 months.) 2,919,151 x $5 = $14,595,755 or $29,191,510 if it was $10
• Small 1% levy on riding gear ie; helment, boots, gloves, jackets and trousers. Remember gloves and boots are replaced regularly.

Sports

• Same as bike gear, small 1% levy on sports gear that helps with sports injuiries.
• We could put flat fee ACC levy on all cycles bought.

These are all very easy to impliement

The harder idea's to impliement are;

• There are idea's of putting levies on the driver or the license not the vehicle.

[Naki Rat]

I've been crunching a few numbers in regard to money in/money out for ACC but I'm lacking one detail - NZ's annual petrol consumption.

ACC collected $437 million in rego levies on cars, motorbikes and mopeds for the 2008 year. During the same year the Motor Vehicle Account paid out $341 million, so $100 million 'leakage' plus the income from other rego levies from other vehicle classes. But the petrol vehicles also contribute 9.9c (+GST)/litre at the pump so there is significantly more income from this source.

The missing detail I need is NZ's annual petrol use (preferably for 2008). Anybody out there got info on this?

[Damon]

Whats the chance some one could put all these stats together on one page? rather than having to troll through multiple threads and hundreds of posts?

I may have time later in the weekend but if anyone else wants to help or do it would be cool, plus my domain is not exactly what you would call professional

[Ixion]

I've been crunching a few numbers in regard to money in/money out for ACC but I'm lacking one detail - NZ's annual petrol consumption.

ACC collected $437 million in rego levies on cars, motorbikes and mopeds for the 2008 year. During the same year the Motor Vehicle Account paid out $341 million, so $100 million 'leakage' plus the income from other rego levies from other vehicle classes. But the petrol vehicles also contribute 9.9c (+GST)/litre at the pump so there is significantly more income from this source.

The missing detail I need is NZ's annual petrol use (preferably for 2008). Anybody out there got info on this?

The leakage is a transfer to reserves to pay for future costs of that years claims (eg you get smashed up in 2008, but still getting ERC and medical expenses in 2009)

[Naki Rat]

The leakage is a transfer to reserves to pay for future costs of that years claims (eg you get smashed up in 2008, but still getting ERC and medical expenses in 2009)

....Together with the ACC levy that we contribute with every litre of petrol

That being the case, where the hell are they sourcing the funds for the more than $281 million bill for sports injuries ?

[Ixion]

....Together with the ACC levy that we contribute with every litre of petrol

That being the case, where the hell are they sourcing the funds for the more than $281 million bill for sports injuries ?

Sports injuries are covered by an appropriation from general taxation. Simple answer, from YOU. h

[Max Headroom]

Based on the figure of 71,648 registered bikes for 2008 (and not including mopeds) at our current annual ACC rego contribution of $252, we generate $18,055,296 pa.

If we include the 9.9c fuel levy as well, and assume that the 71,648 registered bikes cover an annual average of 5,000km each at an average fuel consumption of 50mpg, we generate an additional $2,032,000 pa towards our ACC account. In other words, we motorcyclists contribute over $20M per year, and if we were required to be 100% self-funded it would only require an additional $100 for each motorcyclist per year, based on the current number of approximately 1400 new claims per year at an average of $19,500 per claim.

According to ACC's annual report, the ACC component of the annual rego fee would reduce by $12 for every cent the fuel levy was increased by. There's a maximum ceiling of 12.87c as determined by law, but that's a further option.

[CherryB]

The combined car & bike payout claims for 2008 was only $270,828,000.00
$270,828,000.00 / 2,681,461 = $101 per vehicle ACC is not broke

Where did you find this - can you PM me on it too...

[p.dath]

I've been crunching a few numbers in regard to money in/money out for ACC but I'm lacking one detail - NZ's annual petrol consumption.

ACC collected $437 million in rego levies on cars, motorbikes and mopeds for the 2008 year. During the same year the Motor Vehicle Account paid out $341 million, so $100 million 'leakage' plus the income from other rego levies from other vehicle classes. But the petrol vehicles also contribute 9.9c (+GST)/litre at the pump so there is significantly more income from this source.

The missing detail I need is NZ's annual petrol use (preferably for 2008). Anybody out there got info on this?

I'm trying to find a source to verify the $437 million in rego fees that was collected. Anyone have a reference for where this number came from?