This is true - but then we can get the Hippies on our side cos we're Saving the Environment (tm)Originally Posted by MSTRS
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This is true - but then we can get the Hippies on our side cos we're Saving the Environment (tm)
Forum whore
But they already do.
Having a Zen moment...
Ideological bullshit. Some things should absolutely be private (and provided by free markets would be a good idea, too), others absolutely not. The trick is knowing the difference.
Explain to me how ACC could be run privately, deliver the same level of service, and cost less.
For the view of the Insurance Council, see this: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...8&postcount=20
Redefining slow since 2006...
Cyborg Biker
I have always said if we could find a way to insure our self for being human and drop all other forms of ACC collection under a true no faults system i would consider it... but that was what your PAYE ACC was to cover (including driving)
Since I don't have kids and don't want any why am I covering them... parents of kids should pay extra levies to cover their kids if you have ten then you pay... (I am only saying this due to the finger pointing at motorcyclist at present... up untill now it has never bothered me) but since it is a no faults then well...
maybe worth trying to nut something out
Blue is BETTER
The problem is administration of such cards i.e. checking them. I would be pissed off if I was an organisation that now has to check someone's card. You could easily collect an ACC levy on most of what you suggest without resorting to cards.
- You need a lift pass for skiing - %age of that can go to ACC (same with season passes because they'll be skiing more with a risk of assing off more - maybe)
- You need to pay subs to play rugby, netball, tennis, squash. I think they already pay some to ACC but this could be increased.
- Cycling. This is the biggest issue since the main enjoyers don't compete, you could charge a certain amount on sale of new bikes. The amount collected would be small but it would help. Those competing would pay a levy on club subs or entry fee for events.
I would be in for a pretty hefty bill since I do all the "daring" sports (snowboarding, wakeboarding, MT biking) but if it spreads the love, then why not?
Out of all sports, I would say cyclist's are the only ones that get a free-ride with respect to ACC, since it's a social thing mostly and can't be 'taxed' easily.
The bottom line is, it has to be simple to administer.
Forum whore
Yes you should have one and no it's only used for Inland Revenue purposes.
Some now do not accept the drivers licence as a valid ID. Firearms licence another story........and yet both are issued by a Govt department.
Most proof of ID require not only proof of who you are like a bank statement or electricity bill, but also proof of address.
The problem with the ID card is that it will some time in the future compel the holder to identify themselves by having to carry it by law in much the same way we now have to carry our drivers licence by law. Long story on the reasons for that one so will not digress.
As things now stand proof of identity is only required if you need a specific service.
For example if you need a credit card and the service that goes with it you need to prove who you are. Most emplyees require your bank details so as to pay direct into your account..............now unless this has been changed you still can require payment in cash. So in effect there is no need to prove who you are to be paid.
Much the same thing can be said with hire purchase. You will have to prove who you are but not if you want to pay in cash. So in effect proof of identity is only required by the use of a service that you apply for.
ID cards are another story. They will need to be issued by the state and at some time the state will require compliance for purposes of ID for their expense of distribution.
I could get realy deep into this subject but that is only for the 'massochists' who are interested in this sort of thing.
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
Don't forget to bring a towel
Then people would just play rugby at their local park in the weekend with their mates and not through a club. With no ref, the rules of the game would be less enforced, and therefore it will become more rough, leading to more injuries.
For whom the bell tolls
Why not a general ACC card that you have to sign up for. Make it law that you must be covered - that way you can chose either to be covered by ACC or private health insurance.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
L-Plate Rider
sign the online petition everyone
the links is at the bottom right of the page !!
www.nothanks.co.nr
spread the word !! cant let these crazy acc levys happen !!
www.MAG-NZ.org
My Antivirus Software just kicked in when I went to that site. Watch out peeps!
Double shot!!
Well it doesn't really matter which way they do it.
There are x number of cars/bikes and z number of license holders, and n dollars to collect. The equation is commutative.
In essence I agree with you - I have eight registered family vehicles, but do you think the owners of only one vehicle will have a bitch? Probably. The question is more, can they bitch louder than those who have many vehciles, and will they win.
Steve
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Blue is BETTER
Na I'm not talking about being stupid with the levies. We all know what happens when that occurs. I'm talking about a small add-on that can help.
The problem with modern society is that we try and fix everything in one hit. For example, car pool lanes in some places started off being only 3+ people only. Hardly anyone does that but make it 2+ and you have 50% of cars off the road. And this is what car pool lanes are now.
Same thing with the ACC levy. Currently only wage earners, employers and vehicle owners shell out for it (as far as I'm aware). If we charge all those that play a sport which collects subs $10 each, it'll add at least $500,000 to the fund (I would say I'm grossly underestimating). Better than nothing and no one is really gonna miss that money since it's a small amount.
You're essentially getting something from nothing (or what you would never have previously).
The Sharif don't like it!
Get 'em when they're young aye!
-Indy
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Why not just put it on the birth certificate... Oh, hang on, what about immigrants?
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Forum whore
Some people do indeed have an IRD number from birth - or very nearly. Recipients of trust income for instance.
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