What are you fighting for?

[James Deuce]

A Sportster 883 Iron is not 40% faster than a GSXR600. For example. Neither is a TRX850.

[MSTRS:Me]

From reading all the 'spam' posts that have come up about the proposed ACC levy increase it would seem that many people are simply opposed to paying more for their ACC levy, whether that be $50 more or $500 more.

Of course we resent the proposal to gouge more from our wallets. If the amount was fairly reflected in honest, proven stats that held up under scrutiny, we still wouldn't like it. But we'd grudgingly take it on the chin. And so would all the other contributors to ACC who were being gouged as well.
But the stats aren't open, honest or proven. The figures do not stack up (as presented by ACC). And barring a relatively small increase imposed on 4 wheelers, the other recipients of the road fund are still cycling along debt-free.

[DidJit]

You need to understand that the founding principle of ACC is a no fault system...

Well said that man! That's what bugs me most about these proposed increases as well. If it's a no fault system, then no-one should be singled out to pay more. If an increase in levies is required, it should be the same percentage increase across the board from all contributing parties.

[vifferman]

Personally, I am not that bothered by the ACC fee increase, just the size of it. But it has to be covered somehow, so one way or another I'll be paying.

As for ACC claims - I have had one lot (4 or 5 physio treatments?) for a motorcycle-related injury, and far more for other injuries. Most recent was for a back injury caused by drying myself after having a shower! Would've cost around $400 at a guess.

The biggest was caused indirectly by DIY - I was collected some tools from my crowded gargre, and slipped off the bumper bar of the SUV we had at the time, faceplanting myself into the doorframe and concrete. Had a few days off work, some after-hours A&E treatment for a smashed face, and several months of physio treatment for a wrecked rotator cuff.

[Katman]

Can't do that, without moving to licence-based levies. Under 'no fault' the individual is not tracked, only their input to the stats counts.
(not worded well, but I hope my meaning is clear)

Our 'no fault' welfare system has led to a society with an appallingly high percentage of bludgers and those who refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Those people need to be reminded that the world doesn't owe them a living.

[danielle]

Why the fuck are they covered by ACC anyway?

There should really be another organisation to cover this sort of thing, not the Accident Compensation Corp, nor should it cover bloody depression or all the other crap that has been lumped in, that's what the sickness benefit is for.....(should be for)

I wouldnt go thr mate. Yeah there should be something else to cover them, but thr aint. In my eyes if a chick gets raped, its not exactly on purpose is it. Just because a person gets raped doesnt give them a mental illness. Bloody hell.

[MSTRS:Me]

Our 'no fault' welfare system has led to a society with an appallingly high percentage of bludgers and those who refuse to accept personal responsibility.

Those people need to be reminded that the world doesn't owe them a living.

Yes indeed. But the system used for collecting levies would need to change (for a start)

And, Vifferman....yours was obviously a vehicle-related accident. Those SUVs really need to pay their way...

[Katman]

Yes indeed. But the system used for collecting levies would need to change (for a start)

Absolutely.

I'm sick and tired of handing over my hard earned money to fix up the Pauls and Rajs of this country.

[MSTRS:Me]

Absolutely.

I'm sick and tired of handing over my hard earned money to fix up the Pauls and Rajs of this country.

You do have a point.

[yachtie10]

Quote:
Originally Posted by firefighter View Post
Why the fuck are they covered by ACC anyway?

There should really be another organisation to cover this sort of thing, not the Accident Compensation Corp, nor should it cover bloody depression or all the other crap that has been lumped in, that's what the sickness benefit is for.....(should be for)

danielle
I wouldnt go thr mate. Yeah there should be something else to cover them, but thr aint. In my eyes if a chick gets raped, its not exactly on purpose is it. Just because a person gets raped doesnt give them a mental illness. Bloody hell.

Why wouldnt he go there?
Did you read his post?
rape is not a accident
ACC should not be a welfare system

[danielle]

Why wouldnt he go there?
Did you read his post?
rape is not a accident
ACC should not be a welfare system

Im pretty sure rape is a pretty big accident to the person it happens too? Right? And sure i agree there SHOULD be something else to cover them, but is there? So meanwhile why there isnt their funding gets cut normal people in abnormal circumstances suffer and suffer hard

[R6_kid:Me]

It's no more an accident than someone braking into your house. Rape victims are exactly that - victims of a crime. It's not an accident, just like people failing/succeeding at suicide. Neither events are very pleasant, and neither of them are accidents.

[Ixion]

It's no more an accident than someone braking into your house. Rape victims are exactly that - victims of a crime. It's not an accident, just like people failing/succeeding at suicide. Neither events are very pleasant, and neither of them are accidents.

If someone breaks into your house and assaults you, that is covered by ACC.

If someone breaks in and just steals stuff, that is not. It is personal injury by accident.

[danielle]

Why is it then that ACC will only cover rape victims with mental illness when mental illness is not an accident. Either way the systems fucked correct?

[Ixion]

I think that their logic (don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger) is that normally rape does not leave any (long term) injuries. So, unless there is "mental injury" , there is no injury to be covered.