Comments from Resource and final info threads

[benfan]

I've just been told that on TV 7 tonight, just after 9pm, Gareth Morgan will be speaking on the issue. (I think you may need Sky to see TV 7)

[Pixie]

Is there a list of all the National MP's email Addresses?

[ooze]

I hear tonight that cars currently subsidise us to the sum of $77.00 per year.
I register 2 cars a year (so according to ACC I'm subsidising myself $144 a year) as well as my XJR which has a current ACC levy of $253 per year. Seems like I'm already paying out pretty close to $400 in M/C levies to ACC.
I'm thinking there may be the odd 1 or 2 motorcyclists (probably most of us actually) out there who may also own a car or 2.
I'm also thinking that the $77 those riders who just happen to own a car (or 2) might add up to a tidy sum. Nice of us to subsidise ourselves isn't it.
As called for by others - levy cyclists and also the "sportspeople" who clog the A&E departments each weekend, that might just add up to a tidy sum as well, don't you think?

[StoneY]

Nice to have free ambulance support. I'm concerned at the look of it though if it means a visible St Johns vehicle is following the riders as it sort of indicates that when a bunch of bikers get together we expect someone to get hurt

Ill say this just once (even though its in 3 other threads)

WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THE RISKS
This is part of our risk mitigation and culpability management

Over 3000 are expected, some saying 6000, many have never ridden in a pack before


The image we are portraying is 'sensible motorcycle protest organizers planned for everything'

Thank you

Admins, please LOCK this thread its NOT a Q&A its the final announcement, and it needs to remain as such
Additional information can be found in the stickies, and CRITICAL information will be added to the main post as it is confirmed and finalised

Right now the DATES, TIMES and GATHERING points in Wellington Region are SET IN STONE and will not alter at all

Thanks for the Maps Toto and Gremlin, I was sooo tired as I posted up the notice O forgot them, much appreciated

[Starky307]

I wish everyone a safe journey to Wellington, ride safe and sensibly and make our point known without being foolish.

I wish I could be a part of this but will be returning from OZ the evening of the 17th so hopefully will be able to see it on the news.

Thanks to all that have put time and effort into organizing this event.

[Bald Eagle]

Here is the bill as per the first reading ( it past ,,)

Stephen

PLEASE TAKE A MIN TO READ IT


http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/...LM2417504.html

That's some heavy reading. The first thing I notice is that experience rating and risk rating are enable for the Work Account,... but only risk rating in the Motor vehicle account. Interesting ommission in the 2nd part.
Also notice the potential added to the bill to link "safety behavoir to levy payments" but again only in the Work account.

[Ixion]

Fuck me. Did anyone notice S 24B(2)

The regulations may also classify all or any of the following, or categories of the following, into classes that most accurately describe their risk rating and may impose levies at different rates in relation to those classes in accordance with the system of differential levies referred to in subsection (1):

• “(a) motor vehicles:

• “(b) registered owners of motor vehicles:

[Ixion]

This Bill, i think it's got to go to Select Committee. ANd that means (I think) public can make submissions? Does anyone know this? Klingon? I see opportunity.

[Bald Eagle]

Fuck me. Did anyone notice S 24B(2)

and the worst bit it says all or any --- meaning they can do both

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

This Bill, i think it's got to go to Select Committee. ANd that means (I think) public can make submissions? Does anyone know this? Klingon? I see opportunity.

I believe that is correct, and is why the Maori Party supported to get it to select committe and public debate and submissions etc..


or its they also got some of the world cup on the Maori TV

[Ixion]

and the worst bit it says all or any --- meaning they can do both

No . It's GOOD.

[Brian d marge]

Fuck me. Did anyone notice S 24B(2)

yes and a lot of other shyte , there as well such as reduce payment to all and esp the young .. there is A LOT of hidden stuff in that there report [

NOT JUST MO BIKES

Stephen

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

So, big bikes crash LESS proportionately.

66% of the bike fleet. 45% (say) of the crashes

ANOTHER ACC LIE.

Another bullet for our gun

[R-Soul]

This "bikes are 16 times more dangerous than cars" figure keeps being quoted.

On MoT figures for number of car crashes versus number of bike crashes, it's wrong, the correct number is about 3 x.

But ACC claim the figure is based on a "survey of kilometres travelled". But can provide no further backing

Have you any indication of provenance for this 16 x figure? And of the methodology used to determine the kilometres travelled? (which I suspect will be decidedly shonky)

This sounds like absolute hogwash as they have no figures for their accidents to base it on - They dont ask questions like "How many kilometres has it been since your last crash?" FAIL!

And where would they get the figures for the no of km's bikes ride in a year compared to cars? (maybe from the WOF readings?)

[toxteth_ogrady]

I will be there come rain, rain or even rain. We need to show them how many people are outraged by their idiot plans.