The unpopular view

[mctshirt]

How we deal with that I don't know.

A good old fashioned witch hunt that ends up with someone getting burned on a cross?

[Ixion]

Yes yes, that's all very well, but it's *catching* the witches that is the problem.

And the old fashioned way is stake, surrounded by faggotts. I can't abide these new fangled changes.

And the old way had the advantage that it meant that once the faggotts were burned, there were a lot of Hondas going spare that the righteous could claim.

[Pedrostt500]

The laws of physics is what keeps us intact. The crucial one is the law of opposite and equal reaction, to each action.

or even shorter ...

There is ... a reaction to each action. (story of my life)

The rules of mass and inertia need study...

I always enjoyed studying Hydraulics ......................... At the Pub.

[FJRider]

I always enjoyed studying Hydraulics ......................... At the Pub.

tried that ... just turned into a irrigation assignment

Hydraulics is better practiced in the bedroom ... or any room for that matter ....

[veny]

a good article
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-f...ectid=10605395

It is.

According to a June 2008 report by Merrill Lynch Australia, Australian insurance companies could expect to make $200 million a year if ACC was opened up to private insurers.


Didn't the ACC numbers get cooked & checked over in OZ?
I smell a rat.

[ital916]

For a start we could become far more vocally intolerant of those motorcyclists who consider it their right to treat the road as a racetrack. The way that biker down threads are treated as glowing epitaphs for an individual, regardless of how stupidly they may have meet their demise indicate that many of us have far too great an acceptance of irresponsible riding.

You should know, better than anyone that, that cant be done. Not here anyway. In person, it can be suggested to motorcyclists who may or may not take it onboard but any such vocal suggestion on this site will merely lead to the thread/post being sent to pd and never being read.

[Brian d marge]

You should know, better than anyone that, that cant be done. Not here anyway. In person, it can be suggested to motorcyclists who may or may not take it onboard but any such vocal suggestion on this site will merely lead to the thread/post being sent to pd and never being read.

yws I agree

I have been banging on about this for years

but

99% fail to separate roadcraft and Riding ability

pushing sh1t up hill until Cpt Numbnuts makes that distinction

Stephen

[Katman]

You should know, better than anyone that, that cant be done. Not here anyway. In person, it can be suggested to motorcyclists who may or may not take it onboard but any such vocal suggestion on this site will merely lead to the thread/post being sent to pd and never being read.

As I've said before, it's all about peer pressure.

It's certainly had an effect on drink driving. I don't see why it can't work for irresponsible riding.

[ital916]

As I've said before, it's all about peer pressure.

It's certainly had an effect on drink driving. I don't see why it can't work for irresponsible riding.

Becuase with drink driving, everyone knows it is wrong. With irresponisible riding only the public seems to think shit is wrong. The motorcyclists think that they're just going for a pootle through the goddamn park.

I would compare it to how some motherfuckers always trying to iceskate uphill. It aint impossible, just really difficult.

Im with you on this one. Whether we see a result though is going to be....

[Katman]

Becuase with drink driving, everyone knows it is wrong. With irresponisible riding only the public seems to think shit is wrong.

I think you'll find there's more and more motorcyclists beginning to realise that things have gotta change.

[ital916]

I think you'll find there's more and more motorcyclists beginning to realise that things have gotta change.

Too little, too late. It shouldnt have to take levy increases to all of a sudden create a sense of repsonsibility or to make people think "hey, we might have to be sensible". Say the levies do get canned, I reckon a large percentage of motorcyclists will think, "well now that thats over" and go back to riding like pricks.

[Katman]

Say the levies do get canned, I reckon a large percentage of motorcyclists will think, "well now that thats over" and go back to riding like pricks.

I fear you may be right.

Lets hope you're wrong.

[SARGE]

You seem to have missed a couple of pertinent words there - let me show you them:

NO FAULT

Hope that helps




In a more serious vein - the "no fault" part of the ACC scheme is intrinsic to its existance and the single biggest reason that it came into existence.

Protest THAT

Sorry AD .. not a dig here bro .. but doesnt absolving the citizenry of FAULT also absolve them of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?..


i say drag in the lawyers and let the circus begin...

[jafar]

Sorry AD .. not a dig here bro .. but doesnt absolving the citizenry of FAULT also absolve them of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?..


i say drag in the lawyers and let the circus begin...

Your right to a point, the scheme was brought in to compensate those who had an accident & make them financially & medically able to get through the post trauma times & back on their feet.
In the OLD DAYS. If you were knocked off you bike by a wealthy person you could sue & claim your damages but if it was an unemployed bum then you were wasting your time suing but your claim would be just as relevent to you... ACC leveled the playing field in the respect that you were covered regardless of who caused the accident.

[Coldrider]

Your right to a point, the scheme was brought in to compensate those who had an accident & make them financially & medically able to get through the post trauma times & back on their feet.
In the OLD DAYS. If you were knocked off you bike by a wealthy person you could sue & claim your damages but if it was an unemployed bum then you were wasting your time suing but your claim would be just as relevent to you... ACC leveled the playing field in the respect that you were covered regardless of who caused the accident.

Under the proposed levies motorcyclists are suing themselves.