We're famous since five minutes ago

[Ixion]

The monkey obsessed gentleman is correct.

ACC doesn't really have bugger all debtors and it would be hard for it to have much bad debt. Money is collected for it by IRD and LTNZ, or paid direct by the government

The so called "deficit" is an accounting fiction, which is based on the premise that "If you went out of business tomorrow and nobody paid you any more money, you'd be in shit". But that's not ever really going to happen, because ACC is a government entity. It can't go out of business unless the government goes out of business.

One could just as easily postulate that WINZ has a massive deficit, with no reserves at ll.

[MIXONE]

A good turnout of about 500 bikes today in Wellington.Annette King spoke well and was mainly well recieved.The average age of the bikers there was into the Ulysses age group but with a good range down to children as pillions.
Was that Stoney who spoke briefly at the end to promote the Bikoi?
Well done anyway whoever it was and good to see leaflets being handed out promoting the 17th.

[Laxi]

yep that was our stoneY! was funny, prick smith turned up conveniently after everyone had left, (must have been scared of the 500+ bikies huh?) pitty cause every biker would have got a damn good laugh out of the "conversation" he and brent had on the steps! that guy is an idiot, good on ya stoneY for not slappin him one

[caseye]

Took a ride down to Hammytron to help out the guys and girls dwon there today, 4 of us rode together, we were preceeded by many other groups of riders going there too.A Fantastic turn out.
Ulysses of Hamilton take a bow.
Nat MP's showed up, took the stage and answered some of the hecklers, their figures were totally askew fromanything we'veseen so far and they're still spouting the party line, that we're not happy about how much the increases are and may be willing to accept a lesser figure, As If!

[carver]

Took a ride down to Hammytron to help out the guys and girls dwon there today, 4 of us rode together, we were preceeded by many other groups of riders going there too.A Fantastic turn out.
Ulysses of Hamilton take a bow.
Nat MP's showed up, took the stage and answered some of the hecklers, their figures were totally askew fromanything we'veseen so far and they're still spouting the party line, that we're not happy about how much the increases are and may be willing to accept a lesser figure, As If!

haha, it was kinda funny, i wanted to see a riot

[StoneY]

yep that was our stoneY! was funny, prick smith turned up conveniently after everyone had left, (must have been scared of the 500+ bikies huh?) pitty cause every biker would have got a damn good laugh out of the "conversation" he and brent had on the steps! that guy is an idiot, good on ya stoneY for not slappin him one

He did greet me fairly confidently, and I surprised myself by out debating him.

He had no answer to the lessening of the crash rate (yes its actually LESS per capita ratio of bikes registered)

He thinks there are only 50,000 registered bikes, I shot him down at that point said "there are 116,000 according to the MOT, you dont even have accurate figures mate, anyway see you on the 17th"


Surprised myself, even, hes a pushover in a argument...amazing

O.O

[Conquiztador]

There was no info re the HB one (well, not what I could see). Noticed an article in the Saturday HB Today 1 1/2 hour before the Ulysses "protest" was to start. Txt my son, and we rocked up at 11.30am. There was approx 50 bikes (give or take). Low key. Nobody did anything. After 15 min we were contemplating going to the pub. (Should have...)

Then a chap took the microphone and asked us to get closer. He told us he was the Ulysses HB something. He had a 5 minute speech. But inside that 5 min he got of the track. He pushed the issue that this was a problem for everyone. He started talking about how everyone would have to pay more. Then he asked if anyone had something to say... Nobody did.

None of the politicians turned up. There was a pic taken by the newspaper of us and apart from the crappy "Target" A4 poster being pushed around that was it. We were gone at 12.15 pm.

Oh yeah, he spoke re the 14 Nov and 17 Nov rides. But made it sound like Ulysses was organising it...

EDIT: Oh yeah, I (as a result of my age) have participated in protests. There has been NO NUKES (What a waste...), NO MORE BOAT REFUGEES TO SWEDEN (yep!), And heaps more. Can sort of remember one in the 70's re freedom of speech. No idea what that was about. But this one (above) had nothing to do with protesting. Seriously, if we want this issue to be recognised don't let Ulysses be in charge of anything!!!

[bogan]

He did greet me fairly confidently, and I surprised myself by out debating him.

He had no answer to the lessening of the crash rate (yes its actually LESS per capita ratio of bikes registered)

He thinks there are only 50,000 registered bikes, I shot him down at that point said "there are 116,000 according to the MOT, you dont even have accurate figures mate, anyway see you on the 17th"


Surprised myself, even, hes a pushover in a argument...amazing

O.O

brilliant work, wish i'd stayed a bit longer to witness that!

[StoneY]

brilliant work, wish i'd stayed a bit longer to witness that!

Bogan, I can fight, that's easy

Brilliant work is the artwork you, retro-asian and other tallented folk have done

This BIKEOI has united this fractious pack of riders like nothing before.

[BMWST?]

yep that was our stoneY! was funny, prick smith turned up conveniently after everyone had left, (must have been scared of the 500+ bikies huh?) pitty cause every biker would have got a damn good laugh out of the "conversation" he and brent had on the steps! that guy is an idiot, good on ya stoneY for not slappin him one

he isnt an idiot Laxi,he had very reasonable arguments to refute arguments put to him.We must not think that they are idiots and will have no response.Quite the reverse in fact.Its why I beleive our argument must be that this is against the whole premise of what ACC is about.

[Laxi]

he isnt an idiot Laxi,he had very reasonable arguments to refute arguments put to him.We must not think that they are idiots and will have no response.Quite the reverse in fact.Its why I beleive our argument must be that this is against the whole premise of what ACC is about.

He did greet me fairly confidently, and I surprised myself by out debating him.

He had no answer to the lessening of the crash rate (yes its actually LESS per capita ratio of bikes registered)

He thinks there are only 50,000 registered bikes, I shot him down at that point said "there are 116,000 according to the MOT, you dont even have accurate figures mate, anyway see you on the 17th"


Surprised myself, even, hes a pushover in a argument...amazing

O.O

if a minister is trying to use statistics to prove a point, and he dosn't even know the correct stats then imho he is farrking idiot and i'll call him 1

[caseye]

A minister being feed incorrect, inept and untenable figures doesn't make them fools per se.It does tell you something about them as individuals who either haven't got the time or didn't make to time to check the figures given to them.
Nick Smith might well be asking some very searching questions of his support staff about now, yes he's probably still at work.
For our sakes I hope he now! gets the right information and is able to form a better opinion in his own mind of what we as a professional, law abiding group of middle aged motorcycling enthusiasts are actually so damnd Mad About.
Treated fairly along with every other "No Fault" users of ACC we'd happily shoulder the load, but not this , not like this and not being treated as somehow leprocitic aliens who ride big horrible motorbikes.

[StoneY]

Oh I also note, he had no reply to my "it was never formed as an insurance scheme, its a no fault covenant with the state, and when did that ever stipulate to charge the victims of accidents for the fact they get hurt?"

I got a myopic stare back for that question
We will win

[Skyryder]

So during the Rugby World Cup is a little late then ?

Personally I don't see any advantage in upsetting the rugby 'crowd' in order to reinforce our opposition to the ACC levies. Like it or not Key's government are going to vote next year on the changes and any opposition towards the World Cup is not only too late but will not affect any reductions further down the track.

The reality is if the biker community wants to be effective they need to demonstrate in such a manner where they can 'influence' one party as against the other. A mass rally on the steps of parliament prior to the next election would if I had any influence be the thing to do.


Skyryder

[Madmax]

The monkey obsessed gentleman is correct.

ACC doesn't really have bugger all debtors and it would be hard for it to have much bad debt. Money is collected for it by IRD and LTNZ, or paid direct by the government

The so called "deficit" is an accounting fiction, which is based on the premise that "If you went out of business tomorrow and nobody paid you any more money, you'd be in shit". But that's not ever really going to happen, because ACC is a government entity. It can't go out of business unless the government goes out of business.

One could just as easily postulate that WINZ has a massive deficit, with no reserves at ll.

Stop calling him a gentleman