Don't fall for Nick Smith's bullshit

[Jantar]

Nick hunted me down after almost everyone had left, and tried his flawed numbers on me....

Epic FAIL

I don't believe I out debated a senior cabinet minister in less than 3 minutes...but I did!

He is so unsure of his data, despite repeating it over and over....I feel were gonna win I really do

I believe I have found the source of his flawed data, and its one we need to prepare for. From http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/statistics/m.../docs/2008.pdf table 30 we find that there are 106,454 motorcycles and 30,939 mopeds in New Zealand, excluding those with lapsed or cancelled registrations. Table 31 gives 55,180 motorcycles and 19,960 mopeds excluding those that have an exemption licence or vehicles that are unlicensed.


Table 39 gives 101,457 motorcycles and 28756 mopeds excluding those with lapsed of cancelled registrations. Further in Table 39 we find 71,648 motorcycles and 25,304 mopeds excluding those that have an exemption licence or vehicles that are unlicensed.

The date chosen for excluding those with an exemption (reg on hold) is 30th June. I wonder what the numbers would be if the date chosen was 31st Dec?

However there is no explanation for the huge discrepency in numbers between tables 30/31 and table 39.

[Wasp27]

where were you yesterday???

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Oh, buddy... I was 340kms away, but will be there with bells on the 17th. Like I was on the last protest ride we organised and lead re the Wire Rope Barriers. As will the rest of us from up here....we will be doing the 650+kms day ride to protest. I'm really sorry I couldn't find the time or the money to do both rides. I'd also like to point out how pleased I am to know that the likes of Nick Smith and his cohorts have no idea that this forum exists and are therefore not privy to any of your constructive comments

[pete376403]

The decision to "attempt" the increases are ACC's, but approval must be gained from the "Minister" first ...

Don't overlook the fact that not too long ago the previous board of ACC was sacked by Smith and a more compliant one, more attuned to the right wing agenda was installed.

Smith can't blame the board for providing him with incorrect information, they're only doing what they were put in place to do.

[dipshit]

Oh puuleaaseee Stan, conspiracies are one thing we do not need. Just a quick reminder that NZ is the least corrupt country in the world. And the Winston Peters fiasco before the last election made it pretty clear that political parties in NZ get sod-all donations. There is zero chance of insurance companies paying off a National/Maori/ACT coalition of MPs.

A lot of policies our government introduce are quite often out of their control. Every time they sign a trade agreement or some such thing with larger nations, we lose more and more sovereignty. In fact in this international community, the idea of a nation's sovereignty is considered a thing of the past. The trade agreements, treaties and conditions for loans and other such things they have signed dictate policies.

It makes no difference who we vote for and if it is a National or Labour government. A lot of the decisions that end up affecting us were made outside these shores.

A politician's job is largely trying to find a way to introduce a policy to the nation without causing too much of an uproar.

[Stan]

Don't overlook the fact that not too long ago the previous board of ACC was sacked by Smith and a more compliant one, more attuned to the right wing agenda was installed.

Smith can't blame the board for providing him with incorrect information, they're only doing what they were put in place to do.

Exactly. Smith didn't like the previous ACC board because they were of the opinion that ACC was working well. He sacked most of them, appointed a new board that agrees with his point of view.

ACC isn't the enemy here. Its Nick Smith and his puppet ACC board. You'll also find that the vast majority of ACC staff are not happy with the proposed changes.

[Insanity_rules]

Nick hunted me down after almost everyone had left, and tried his flawed numbers on me....

Epic FAIL

I don't believe I out debated a senior cabinet minister in less than 3 minutes...but I did!

He is so unsure of his data, despite repeating it over and over....I feel were gonna win I really do

Yeah, I was in ear shot. Sounded like a total douche. Nick didn't even know the number of registered motorcycles on the road.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Doesnt seem we are the worst users of ACC!

Its all the buggers that dont pay a levy!!!!!

[Brian d marge]

A lot of policies our government introduce are quite often out of their control. Every time they sign a trade agreement or some such thing with larger nations, we lose more and more sovereignty. In fact in this international community, the idea of a nation's sovereignty is considered a thing of the past. The trade agreements and treaties and other such things they have signed dictate policys.

It makes no difference who we vote for and if it is a National or Labour government. A lot of the decisions that end up affecting us were made outside these shores.

A politician's job is largely trying to find a way to introduce a policy to the nation without causing too much of an uproar.

The imf have warned asked advised NZ to look at its health costs

http://www.imf.org/external/np/ms/2009/032309.htm

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9. Over the long term, key budgetary risks are the growing healthcare costs and public pension outlays. These risks should be addressed before the demographic pressures intensify, by reforming health care and the public pension schemes.
Monetary policy
10. Falling oil prices and the downturn in activity, as well as tight monetary policy earlier on in the cycle, have helped ease inflationary pressures and reduce inflation expectations. Staff projects headline inflation to fall to less than 1 percent in December 2009 (year-on-year), and to return gradually to the middle of the 1-3 percent range by 2012-13.
11. The substantial easing of monetary policy since mid-2008 has been appropriate. The sizable reduction in the official cash rate over the last few months has largely, though not fully, been passed through to rates for new borrowing, particularly for residential mortgages. The monetary stimulus already in train should help support demand.
12. The Reserve Bank should continue to reduce the official cash rate. The outlook for growth and inflation is weak, credit growth is slowing, and credit standards have been tightened. Also, increased spreads on bank borrowing and lower inflation expectations have offset some of the impact on real lending rates. Finally, households with fixed rate mortgages will benefit from lower interest rates only with a lag.
13. The mission agrees with the authorities that further easing of monetary policy should proceed in smaller steps, and that rates should be set so that New Zealand remains competitive in international capital markets. By contrast with many advanced countries, monetary policy remains effective in New Zealand. However, the staff encourages the authorities to consider alternative instruments, including quantitative easing, and their potential efficacy in the unlikely event that such measures are needed.






the Government is just.......




http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJprEyXMrIk






Stephen

[Ixion]

As the motorcycle riding public is dominated by males and males were significantly more in favour of ACT and National at the last elections; this is YOUR FAULT!

Don't you remember the National Party trying to destroy ACC last time they had power so they could give it to (mainly) foreign insurance companies?

They played NZ for suckers and won: tax cuts for the wealthy and tax increases for the rest by stealth or with a bludgeon.

Forget about attacking the ACC Corp, attack National and ACT; it really IS them driving this policy and it is the beginnning of an attempt to devalue ACC in order for Kiwis to more readily accept privatisation.

The ACC has $11 billion in funds and collects more than a billion more in fees every year than it pays in claims. This hike is not about making ACC better; it's about destroying ACC completely and handing it to offshore interests

Our gripe, and our remit is with ACC levies on motorcycles. primarily, the unjustifiable increase, secondarily , how that are assessed and charged.

This is not a party political issue.

If the National government agree to cancel the increases and in future put us on the same levy as cars, hten they will be Official Good Bastards too.

Anything other than motorcycle levies is an issue for another time and place.

[short-circuit]

Our gripe, and our remit is with ACC levies on motorcycles. primarily, the unjustifiable increase, secondarily , how that are assessed and charged.

This is not a party political issue.

If the National government agree to cancel the increases and in future put us on the same levy as cars, hten they will be Official Good Bastards too.

Anything other than motorcycle levies is an issue for another time and place.

Bollocks. Unless it's seen in it's wider political context, we can look forward to more of the same in the future.

[Paulo]

Guy Fawkes was the first and last person to enter parliament with honest intentions.

[short-circuit]

Bollocks. Unless it's seen in it's wider political context, we can look forward to more of the same in the future.

Aside from vigilante behaviour and mass disruption, applying political pressure is the only way to further our cause. This government is driving these changes (as was always their intention)

[Brian d marge]

I had some free time

Stephen

[Wasp27]

Our gripe, and our remit is with ACC levies on motorcycles. primarily, the unjustifiable increase, secondarily , how that are assessed and charged.

This is not a party political issue.

If the National government agree to cancel the increases and in future put us on the same levy as cars, hten they will be Official Good Bastards too.

Anything other than motorcycle levies is an issue for another time and place.

Thank God..... the voice of reason. Thank you Les... we certainly appreciate what your doing for the cause....well done. At the end of the Day it'll be Nick Smith that will have to sign off any changes.... best we keep him inside the tent. Keep focused on this one issue please.... Cheers W

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Our gripe, and our remit is with ACC levies on motorcycles. primarily, the unjustifiable increase, secondarily , how that are assessed and charged.

This is not a party political issue.

If the National government agree to cancel the increases and in future put us on the same levy as cars, hten they will be Official Good Bastards too.

Anything other than motorcycle levies is an issue for another time and place.

Yes yes yes. Please people, read what Les is saying. Think about it. Maybe you have to have life experience to understand what is going on here. No need for blame or finger pointing. Stop talking politics and focus on the issue. If we make division we will be divided and we will fall. We need a strong voice.