Public support coming our way

[Ixion]

There is a time and a place for every purpose under Heaven.

Patience , grasshopper , and pass the time reading Sun Tzu.

[idleidolidyll]

Which is why the protests are going to Parliament and not the ACC offices? And why Auckland bikers are flash mobbing national electorate offices and conferences? Yo're behind the fair, mate. We all made that connection weeks ago.

But we continue to lay off directly attacking the cause (National and ACT) in pretty much all printed material and when speaking to the media.

There's a big difference in an unspoken 'knowledge' that National and ACT are behind this tax and printing that fact in all our publications as well as specifically stating that we are against the GOVERNMENT policies in the media.

No, I'm afraid you are the one behind the fair, unless we directly and voiciferously attack the cause, the politicians will have the last laugh. We will get a 200% rise and be happy we didn't get 300%.

So lets be clear to ALL: this is not about the ACC charging more; it's about NATIONAL and ACT trying to destroy ACC and using us as the first installment.

[idleidolidyll]

I think the way the protests are going at the moment is the right way.Keep Joe Public onside and of course we are going to get Labour support.Let's face it they are polies so anything to get one over the opposion.
However if the govt. still isn't listening after the 17th I for one would be quite willing to do a burnout on the front steps of the beehive.

By the 17th it will already be too late. NATIONAL and ACT have the votes to pass this crap after debate on the 10th.

So far it's all feel good stuff, we feel good 'cause we're doing something.
They feel good 'cause we haven't caused any disruption.

It aint gonna feel good when they pass this shit and we get a shaft rammed up our collective jacksies.

[Jantar]

By the 17th it will already be too late. NATIONAL and ACT have the votes to pass this crap after debate on the 10th.

So far it's all feel good stuff, we feel good 'cause we're doing something.
They feel good 'cause we haven't caused any disruption.

It aint gonna feel good when they pass this shit and we get a shaft rammed up our collective jacksies.

You are confusing changes to the ACC act and changes to Levies. The minister doesn't need support to change the levies, he already has that right to do so by ministerial decree. The amount of the change is included in recommendations to the minister from ACC. It is changes in philosophy that are driven by the government to ACC.

In this case we don't want to be misled into the wrong fight. Our initial fight is against the hike in Levies and to do this we must fight on two fronts. We must send in our submissions and try to convince ACC that their data and methodology is flawed and that they should change their recomenadtions to the minister. We must also protest and lobby with politicians as our target so that whatever recomendation comes forward from ACC is not accepted by the minister.

At this stage we must also stay clear of any further battles regarding opening ACC up to competion or to privatisation. That is an issue that could divide us and lead us to losing the main fight. Lets keep focussed here.

[Ozzie]

This ACC levy increase is NATIONAL Party policy! You voted them in, did you not expect them to fuck you over (again) just as they tried to do last time they had power?

Haven't got a vest yet, but reading this, I agree, instead of slander ACC, going to have a big N on it, "I used to Vote National!" maybe even get a sticker made up for the rear window of my Ute.

[davereid]

By the 17th it will already be too late. NATIONAL and ACT have the votes to pass this crap after debate on the 10th.

The legislation being passed is to delay the full funding of ACC that Labour introduced. Its intended to lower increases.

As Jantar points out, the ACC board can set the levies at any rate they wish, the minister just signs them off.

[Pixie]

You are confusing changes to the ACC act and changes to Levies. The minister doesn't need support to change the levies, he already has that right to do so by ministerial decree. The amount of the change is included in recommendations to the minister from ACC. It is changes in philosophy that are driven by the government to ACC.

In this case we don't want to be misled into the wrong fight. Our initial fight is against the hike in Levies and to do this we must fight on two fronts. We must send in our submissions and try to convince ACC that their data and methodology is flawed and that they should change their recomenadtions to the minister. We must also protest and lobby with politicians as our target so that whatever recomendation comes forward from ACC is not accepted by the minister.

At this stage we must also stay clear of any further battles regarding opening ACC up to competion or to privatisation. That is an issue that could divide us and lead us to losing the main fight. Lets keep focussed here.

No no no our fight is against the filthy capitalists.We should stand with our red brothers and....
Sorry,I think I was channeling some commie arsehole for a moment there

[pete376403]

As Jantar points out, the ACC board can set the levies at any rate they wish, the minister just signs them off.

Bearing in mind that the ACC board is a collection of Smith appointees, put in place to make the recommendations that Smith wants.

[Ixion]

At this stage we must also stay clear of any further battles regarding opening ACC up to competion or to privatisation. That is an issue that could divide us and lead us to losing the main fight. Lets keep focussed here.

I completely agree.

Our gripe is with ACC levies on motorcycles.

Nothing else

That is what we must focus on.

The ACC , with the connivance if not at the instigation, of the National government want to shaft us. There's our fight.

This is not,and should not become, a party political question.

Labour have come out in support of us. That's nice, thank you very much.

But they are not doing it because they love us or because Phil Goff has rediscovered motorcycling. They are doing it because they perceive us as a high profile stick with which to beat the government. And once we are no longer of use to them they will cast us aside without a second thought.

Stick to the point. Damn the levies.

[MSTRS:Me]

....Nick Smith turned up at Wellington at the end of the "rally" and he had reasonable arguments to refute every point that was raised.
...

He has NO 'reasonable' arguments. All he has is ill-formed bluster, based on misleading and/or deceitful 'advice'.
Post #8 is all the proof one needs.

[Naki Rat]

He has NO 'reasonable' arguments. All he has is ill-formed bluster, based on misleading and/or deceitful 'advice'.
Post #8 is all the proof one needs.

It is maybe worth reminding a few people that the Emissions Trading Scheme numbers were dreamed up by the same person that is trying to use this load of BS to shaft us.

[taff1954]

Editorial in todays (5 Nov) Taranaki Daily News. Some support from the press no less.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-as-easy-money

[Chisanga]

Editorial in todays (5 Nov) Taranaki Daily News. Some support from the press no less.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-as-easy-money

That's quite a good article actually

[duckonin]

we are a long way of winning yet.Nick Smith turned up at Wellington at the end of the "rally" and he had reasonable arguments to refute every point that was raised.
A story was told of a biker(well paid) who was on ACC (80 percent of his income) for 10 years .He was GIVEN a small 4wd by acc cos he could not drive his own car any more.They are the sort of payment regimes that rack up 62 Million very quickly.

And the story (true) of a chap in a motor vehicle accident (head on) had been drinking, who has had over 1mill for the last twenty years god knows how many op's his house fully re decked for wheelchair bla bla bla....Plenty of these from motor vehicle accidents, this also eats up the bikkies real quick..

[StoneY]

That's quite a good article actually

Concur, well written, unemotive and supportive all in one
Nicley said how we are no longer rebels without a cause...we have a CAUSE yay!

(Dire Straits, ride accross the river running through my head now, thanks!)