So, wodda we going to do about? It's down to us

[oldrider]

To me Motorcycling has always given me a sense of freedom and self expression, thank god I was born when I was!

Motorcycling is being smothered by bureaucracy and fuckwits, no matter what the outcome, it will still mean a loss of quality to motorcycling!

The bit that pisses me off most is that the old fogies of the AA are going to win! (they have always hated motorcycles)

I hate those bastards more than I hate stupid unnecessary rules and regulations!

Goodbye freedom, you have been a fantastic companion throughout "my" life, till we meet again, auf Wiedersehen!

And Katman I salute you, you saw it coming and at least you tried to combat it the only way you knew how but at least you tried, thank you!

[davereid]

To me Motorcycling has always given me a sense of freedom and self expression, thank god I was born when I was!
Motorcycling is being smothered by bureaucracy and fuckwits, no matter what the outcome, it will still mean a loss of quality to motorcycling!
The bit that pisses me off most is that the old fogies of the AA are going to win! (they have always hated motorcycles) I hate those bastards more than I hate stupid unnecessary rules and regulations!

Goodbye freedom, you have been a fantastic companion throughout "my" life, till we meet again, auf Wiedersehen!

We havent lost yet.. I must admit, I was seriously down when I first heard the proposal.

But, I have turned around. Now I think we can win - with the right approach parity with cars is a do-able goal. We might not get it this round, but I think bikers are not going to let this go.

ACC may regret this, they could have simply raised the levy $50 bucks a year to get what they wanted, but they got clever.

Now we have set parity as goal, we can keep pushing and pushing.

ACC can rave all they like about the "subsidy" but its a weak argument, in reality they are hard pushed to even justify why hey measure bikers differently.

[paturoa]

There are no silver bullets, and a combo of changes would make a couple of percent here and a couple of percent there so what about these:

1) Graduated power to weight licensing WITH competency tests to advance classes - for BOTH noobies and return bikers

Riding bikes, is a skill that requires recent and regular reinforcement until a rider becomes unconsciously competent. Having a sprots bike encourages people to fang before their skill levels are adequate. Resticting riders to "nana" bikes will reduce the tendacy for some to fang and hence reduces the risk of the bike exceeding the riders skills.

The competency testing could entail a tester following a bikers and looking for demonstrated skills.

2) Legalise Headlight modulators and/or modulated acessory lights.

Light me up like a friggen christmas tree and try to say SMIDSY? Most riders already ride with headlights, yet the SMIDSY rate is still too high. I've seen modulators overseas and they stood out more than Fat Max's belly at a pie eating contest!

3) Treble, quadruple, whatever failure to give way penalties to near automatic license suspension level.

We know that failure to give way (SMIDSY) is also a significant contributor to statistics. Wont make a blind bit of difference to some road users cos they are brain dead. Follow me here.... so for those that aren't brain dead the consequences of being lazy lookers are significant, and some will change their behaviour. For rest including the brain dead / incompetents then they are off the road anyway.

[nico]

de-regster and run the risk sounds like a blody good idea to me so mr acc just gna miss out aint he , if any thing ever hapens umm i musta fell of my motocross bike on the farm good on ya acc

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

de-regster and run the risk sounds like a blody good idea to me so mr acc just gna miss out aint he , if any thing ever hapens umm i musta fell of my motocross bike on the farm good on ya acc

due to you paying acc via other relms of collection you are still covered

[Katman]

Only allow motorcyclists to go watch the motorcycle Street Races if they get there by car.

[JohnR]

ACC to Motorcyclist: You cost us $62 million last year, and, you only paid us $12 million. We want another $500 from you this year and forever to pay for this.

MC to ACC: Hmmmm... OK tell you what. We won't pay you any extra and you give us subsidised or free professional training to minimise the risk of us falling off.

ACC to MC:...TUI

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

ACC can rave all they like about the "subsidy" but its a weak argument, in reality they are hard pushed to even justify why hey measure bikers differently.

ACC was designed to cross subsidise... the bigger the pool of money the better it works and the lower levy's can be... the smaller seperate accounts they have now simply means higher fees and at the end of the day doesn't need to be, and was not designed to do this

[Ixion]

Ok

According to MoT the biggies for biker injuries and deaths are

Loss of control when cornering . Shitloads of injuries and lots of deaths
Head ons . Not so many injuries but a lot of deaths (go figure)
Right turn intersection crashes.
EDIT vehicle manoevouring . Dunno what it means . U turn maybe.

All the rest are under 5%.

So, what can bikers do (apart from "ride carefully" !) to reduce those.

Why do we crash so much on corners?
How the hell can we have so many head on crashes?
Right turn - they'll be SMIDSYs.

Interestingly all the others were a wide assortment of stuff.

[oldguy]

ATTITUDE are we putting the blame on a certain group, the current licensing for new riders is fine, we also blame road conditions,
car drivers, don't forget some of us also drive cars, so we become what we hate.
Trouble is we are so busy blaming every other road user, we forgot to look at our selfs.
True some accidents are coursed by careless car drivers, but in some cases maybe they could have been avoided, its all about being alert, reading traffic, thinking what if, can I stop in time etc...
Same thing apply's out on your favourite back road, its been a week since you last rode this stretch of road, things may have changed, metal/diesel down on a corner, car or truck parked just over a rise you can't see till its too late.

I don't know if it is a good thing, but I ride with a "What If" when out on the road,

We talk about educating other road user, but neglect too change our own
ATTIDUDE and adjust accordingly


John

[Qkchk:Me]

Can't be bothered rolling through 5 pages.

These are the changes I would like to see:

1. I believe all persons wanting to get any licence must spend at least 6 months first on a class 6 (Motorcycle).


2. Classes 1 and 6 to have an amount of logged hours with a training provider to earn the right to sit the restricted and full licence tests.


3. Education IS the key for the other road users - Need more hard hitting advertising like the drink drive ones / spin the wheel of fate at intersections etc but focused on looking for bikes / understanding motorcycles. (But if we stuck to no.1 we wouldn't have any problems eh?)


4. Returning riders need to do a Ride Right style course before getting back on a bike. This could be policed by purchase of a licence that lasts for 5 years (just like endorsements - P,F,V,I,O,W,T,R,D...)


5. As above, all licence holders to attend some sort of education / training every 5 years. The problem with NZ road law is, once you have your full licence that's the end of the training. Majority of public do not spend any time updating themselves with the latest rules / regs and think they don't have any bad habits and think they are a good driver (I see this everyday with work..) Most truckies are damn well good though...

[nico]

[QUOTE=mister.koz;1129493875]This may make me even less popular

Amongst other things my suggestions to ACC were:
change the licensing:

• Extend the learner and restricted licence periods
• Defensive driving and advanced driving should be a required part of the licensing scheme.
• Require more training for all licence holders
• Require that people sit a practical test every couple of years to keep their licence - some people really shouldn't be on the road
  
  helll yes to above
  
  
• Require that motorcyclists wear more than an approved helmet
• - Helmet - perhaps closed face
• - Jacket - with armour
• - Gloves - with armour
• - Boots - with armour

alough I wear all the above just a thaught? would making all this motobike gear compulsry put the price up even more??????? i know you cant put a price on good gear BUT.... welll you know what im saying any other thaught on this

[Qkchk:Me]

Ok


EDIT vehicle manoevouring . Dunno what it means . U turn maybe.

Could be lane-splitting.......

[Ixion]

It's classified under intersections and driveways. 5% is about 70 crashes per year. Don't think that many happen lane splitting. Actually, driveways, maybe cars backing out?

[JohnR]

[/quote]alough I wear all the above just a thaught? would making all this motobike gear compulsry put the price up even more??????? i know you cant put a price on good gear BUT.... welll you know what im saying any other thaught on this [/QUOTE]

According to the laws of supply and demand the price should come down.