ACC ad in Dominion Nov 5 (now with 100% more PDF)

[pzkpfw]

ACC are modeling on the future cost of running a fully funded scheme. This is not real money they need to pay out now, but what they think they will need to put away to pay for accidents in the future. If they stayed with the same model as now ( pay year on year ), or pushed the fully funded date out to 2019 we would not be having such a big hike.

Yes and no.

They've already gone "fully funded" so you mean the same model as it used to be, not as it is now.

We of the now are actually being screwed for money four ways:

1. We pay each year for that years accidents.
2. We pay extra each year for the future costs of those accidents ("fully funded").
3. We pay extra each year for the residual fund (to pay the ongoing costs of accidents that occured in the past (pre 1999), before "full funding", i.e. to "catch up" on the "full funding").
4. AND we pay extra each year because they didn't collect enough for "full funding" in the years since 1999.

Over half of the money they "need" is in classes 3. and 4. above.

Apparently page 15 of the consultation document shows that our ACC fees will go back down after the "fully funded" "catch up" is complete, because they'll stop having to collect that extra money.

I'd believe that (dropping fees) when I saw it.


Since the "catch up" is simply the result of a change in policy, it'd be way "fairer" for that to come from general ACC collection, rather than lumping it all on the singled-out group (us) seemingly all at once.

[wingrider]

Political parties release proposals of what they want to change IF they get into power.

National said all along it wants to privatize some if not all of ACC.

It elects a Leader who has public appeal, not by what he does but simply because he is so indoctrinated in party philosophy. National has always been and will always continue to be politically influenced by Business Round table and Chamber of Commerce.

It gets elected to Govern.

It removes boards from those departments that it wants to change and replaces them with its own elected people, not the best for the job, but those that will obey the commands given. It rewards them with massive salaries to ensure they will continue to tow the party line and not bow to public discontent. (if I earn more than you, I must be better).

The Ministers become the Majors in the army But it needs a general to lead it.

Muldoon and Shipley were generals who wanted to lead from the front, wanted the limelight and it was to hell with what the public thought of them.
Look what happened.

Key is not Stupid ( well his thoughts perhaps). He puts his Majors up front, with his back to them telling the masses what good boys and girls they are.

The Ministers command the board to carry out the agenda by whatever means required. Rape and pillage the peasants. Dont care if you are broke cause I earn more than you and get paid regardless.

But the peasants fight back and there are more of them than the army.

The majors run behind the General for protection but he pushes them to the front sayin, "you got me into this shit now get me out of it". "I cant afford to lose face".

WHERE IS KEY IN ALL OF THIS?

ABSENT BY HIS SILENCE!

He will send his major's to the slaughter. In the blink of an eye.

We need to drag him into this battle kicking and screaming. He is their chosen leader and why should he escape our wrath?

Nick Smith and others are only pawns in a game being played out by those who will benefit financially for personal gain.

take out the generals and the army will fold.

[vifferman]

In my case I ride a bike to commute not to be a biker.

What does that mean?
I understand the words, but I can't comprehend anyone (apart from maybe a scroterist) saying that.
Or anyone who says that bothering to subscribe to a biker forum.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Since the "catch up" is simply the result of a change in policy, it'd be way "fairer" for that to come from general ACC collection, rather than lumping it all on the singled-out group (us) seemingly all at once.

and that should be our arguement for that is the way ACC was setup to run not having the seperate accounts, and the soon it goes back to this the better it will be for all

[Pixie]

Yes, but WHY can they not get traction?

They are a government department. comminications specialists, spin doctors in every broom closet.

And normally the media are very happy to give government spokesspokes time to "explain" things.

The media have been approaching us, we haven't gone to them hardly at all.

I don't understand why ACC are reduced to paying for space. It's sort of demeaning, degrading.

Either the ACC refuse to approach the media for time? Or the media won't have them, at any cost? or the media say OK but set conditions that ACC won't accept.

Or - actually i maybe just thought of it . The advantage of buying space is that you can say exact;y what you want, and don't have to worry about anyone asking questions.

So, is buying adverts because ACC dare to front up in a debate (either with a biker spokesspokes or just with a media host) in case they get asked questions they cannot or dare not answer?

If so WHAT ARE THOSE QUESTIONS ?

The Nats have had a long honeymoon,Labour has been quiet (I won't say ineffective) -it's been a slow news year.The media are itching for some controversy.What could be better than a classic David versus Goliath story?

That gives me an idea for a graphic.
Who can do a picture of David on a motorcycle,whirling a sling at a huge ACC monolith?

[Pixie]

If we all buy 4 bikes for 2010 there is your answer... Hang on... then we all pay 4 x ACC levy and there is 4 x as much money for ACC. That then would mean that we could buy more bikes and...

We would still need to clone ourselves 4x

[Big Dave]

What does that mean?
I understand the words, but I can't comprehend anyone (apart from maybe a scroterist) saying that.
Or anyone who says that bothering to subscribe to a biker forum.

It means that not everyone rides as a lifestyle option.
They are equally as effected.

Broaden your outlook.

[Ixion]

The Nats have had a long honeymoon,Labour has been quiet (I won't say ineffective) -it's been a slow news year.The media are itching for some controversy.What could be better than a classic David versus Goliath story?

That gives me an idea for a graphic.
Who can do a picture of David on a motorcycle,whirling a sling at a huge ACC monolith?

We already got it.

I handed some hard copies out at the Ulysses meeting

I think Mr Martybabe dun it (? not sure)

[Ixion]

and that should be our arguement for that is the way ACC was setup to run not having the seperate accounts, and the soon it goes back to this the better it will be for all

Actually I have found that there is not a separate account. The accounts are prescribed by law. There is only a "motor vehicle account". The split into car/bike is an internal ACC one

[Mystic13]

We already got it.

I handed some hard copies out at the Ulysses meeting

I think Mr Martybabe dun it (? not sure)

Can you re-do that drawing with ACC in black or dark clothing and the rider in light colours. (Swap them around) At a subconscious level we assoicate the small darker figure with evil.

Cheers

Once it's dobne I'd like to copy and past it else where.

[Clockwork]

Actually I have found that there is not a separate account. The accounts are prescribed by law. There is only a "motor vehicle account". The split into car/bike is an internal ACC one

Hmmm when they origianlly increassed the motorcyle levy above that of cars..... I wonder if they consulted?

[MSTRS:Me]

I'd like to see something like this. 2 monsters (ACC + National) eating bikers and truckers. With a cowering public to the side and one of the monsters saying "You're next"

[Ixion]

Can you re-do that drawing with ACC in black or dark clothing and the rider in light colours. (Swap them around) At a subconscious level we assoicate the small darker figure with evil.

Cheers

Once it's dobne I'd like to copy and past it else where.

I can't . I'm crap with graphics and have the aesthetic sensibility of a shark. maybe Mr Martybabe from whom I pinched it can.

[Mystic13]

Yep. I know what you mean I'm crap at it too. And here's what it looks like drawn badly but you get the idea.


I also think it would look better if he held his helmet in his other hand and you could see his face. Or was swinging the helmet. And a black sword and holder for ACC.

[kwaka_crasher]

But none of the ppl I know buy any of those shock adds. Ppl change channels or get another beer. And their comment is normally: "I hate that add so I don't watch it". And the hate is not because it hits a raw nerve, it is because it is such BS.

Have you seen the new one for speed with the silver car parked on a fairly tight left hand corner and the door opens and somehow the driver coming around the corner at 60km/h in the dry loses control and slides across the road? It's a totally fucked message on every level. 50km/h would be too fast for this tight, off-camber slightly uphill left hand corner especially with some fucktard parking his car halfway around, yet they say that had he been doing 50km/h he would have stopped just before hitting the power pole ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD and somehow that would be ACCeptable. Makes my blood boil it does. Lucky I rarely see ads.

Yes, but WHY can they not get traction?

Because the predominantly left-wing media are happy to have this fiasco ticking over to portray National in a bad light so it can be regirgitated at the next election even though nothing is actually set in stone yet.