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    My letter to the editor (takes a different slant as plenty will have already pointed out the propaganda angle & numbers):

    The several thousand dollars spent by ACC yesterday singling out Motorcyclists through advertisements in various national papers, spreading what can only be described as blatant propaganda, would have been far better spent sending several hundred motorcyclists to approved training courses. At such courses riders would learn to deal with the problems that will continue to exist for as long as politicians fail to grasp the real cause of road accidents, instead ordering another ambulance for the bottom of the cliff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    It's also highly unlikely that ACC will be paying "retail" for that space.
    Ha I doubt it very much. I advertise in the dom post once a week every week. Not 1/4 page though. My rate is very reasonable for full colour.
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    ACC Dominion Post ad

    Has anyone else had a 1/4 page ACC ad in todays paper? The Dominion Post carried the attached ad, which apparently is ACC's attempt to head of the main arguments against the levy increases for motorcyclists.

    I find it very diffitult to understand why/how ACC has been allowed to make these comments during the consultation process. They are trying to sway the general public to their view, and they are doing so by using what appear to be the most common themes from submissions, which I suspect they have all being reading down the ACC offices. Seems like dirty tactics to me!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails ACC Dom Post ad 5-11-09.pdf  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azi Dahaka View Post
    our comms officer said it costed them about 2.5k for the dom and 5.5k for the herald that is alot of money to gather together
    That's snack box change for ACC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by retro asian View Post
    That's snack box change for ACC...
    i know but the point is THEY HAVENT USED IT ON CLAIMS they will now need to tax us approximatally $100 each per motorbiker to cover the cost of this add and all other adds for the next 50 years they take out against us
    History is written by the Biker
    Propaganda is written by ACC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spratt View Post
    Has anyone else had a 1/4 page ACC ad............. Seems like dirty tactics to me!
    One or two of us noticed it. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=111815
    And yes, it is very underhanded tactics. Worse than leaving candidate hoardings up on election day
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Thats very good D,wonder if we could rustle up enough cash via KBers to take out our own add,count me in for $50 or so.
    That's a fuckin' huge ditto here. 100 kber's at 50 a head? There's your five k.

    If someone will open an account just PM me the number and I'll slide a fifty in there pronto.

    ACC are using OUR money in an effort to nail OUR collective arses to the wall. This is bollocks. Yes; bikers need to up the ante, sooner rather than later.

    I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is. My fifty awaits a home for a rebuttal ad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    I note that ACC employ this technique. The claims might be bullshit, but that has little to do with it.
    Throw enough shit and some will stick -it works for us too

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    Complaint submitted to ASA.

    I would encourage all riders to complain. The ACC has slipped up with this ad. If we can get the ASA to force a retraction and/ or a published apology it will go a long way to our cause.

    Also happy to donate $50 to the cause if someone can arrange a fighting fund.

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    seems to me that ACC needs to increas the acc levies for all cars over 600cc also to match the $740 that motorcyclists will have to pay.

    equal costs on all fronts not just bikers.

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    Best I can suggest is there is a 'donate' button on the BRONZ web site now.


    I also think my second answer is spurious now that I reread it with less steamed potatoes. Other groups do pay - just not as much.

    You might delete the quote plese TL.

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    Reply from my letter to Phil Goff:

    I am writing on behalf of the Hon Phil Goff to thank you for your email about the ACC ads in this morning's papers.
    I am attaching a copy of the media statement which Labour's ACC spokepserson, Hon David Parker, has issued in response to the ad.
    many thanks for writing


    5 November 2009
    Media Statement
    Taxpayers can’t afford to pay for ACC’s political propaganda

    Taxpayer money is being scandalously wasted on newspaper ads that don't tell the real story about the reasons behind huge ACC fee rises, Labour’s ACC spokesperson David Parker says.
    "The large display ads in major dailies today claims ‘motorcyclists weren’t paying enough’. The National Government should apologise for implying paying more is a matter of principle.
    "ACC’s statement shows scandalous indifference to the cost of living. It’s arrogant and out of touch. Even if ACC thought fees had to rise, suggesting that motorcyclists don’t pay ‘enough’ shows the Government's agenda is to punish motorcycle owners. It shows the Government is wildly out of touch with the reality of stretched family budgets.
    David Parker is calling on the Government to disclose the cost of the propaganda.
    "ACC is paying out large sums of levy-payers’ money to promote an unpopular political decision which the Government is ostensibly still consulting the public on.
    "The Government made the decision to change the way motorcycle levies are set and ACC is now trying to help sell it, instead of keeping to ACC’s founding principles.
    "Wasting money on newspaper ads shows the National Government has its priorities wrong. It is developing a bad habit of using taxpayers’ money for its own advertising and propaganda.
    "ACC and its minister have been claiming that the fee rise for motorcyclists is not decided yet, and it is going through a consultation. But these ads show it’s all a sham consultation and the outcome is already decided.
    David Parker says the claims in the advertisement are political and misrepresent the purpose of the ACC scheme - and drew up a list of alternative answers to the fake ‘questions’ in the ad.
    Straight answers to ACC’s proposed motorcycle levies
    Why are motorcyclists being singled out?
    What other groups will be unfairly targeted next? Cyclists? Drivers of older cars? Pedestrians? Older people who fall over in their homes more often than young people? Children playing sports?
    All of these groups have accidents. Why is the Government targeting one section of the public - motorcyclists - and who is next?
    Why are motorcyclists being asked to pay more?
    Because the National Government is abandoning the idea of a no-fault accident compensation scheme to set it up for privatisation, which will benefit big foreign owned insurance companies.
    If motorcyclists weren’t paying enough, who’s been covering their costs?
    In a social insurance scheme, we all pay a share of the costs of accidents, so that we are all covered. If ACC introduces user pays for groups it claims face higher risks, then next on the list will be elderly New Zealanders who hurt themselves in falls, and people playing sport.
    ACC has $12 billion in reserves. Last year New Zealanders paid in a billion dollars more than ACC paid out in claims. ACC is not broke!
    But motorcyclists say the crashes aren’t their fault.
    But that’s not the point. ACC wants to punish motorcyclists for their lifestyle. That’s why it says ‘motorcyclists weren’t paying enough.’
    How much more at risk are motorcyclists?
    Motorcyclists are at very high risk of continued steep fee rises because the consultation is a sham. The Government’s already made up its mind.
    How do the proposed ACC levies compare to the cost of insuring the actual bike?
    That’s got nothing to do with it. Car owners don’t pay more in ACC for insuring more expensive cars. The cost of insuring the bike is about as relevant as the cost of buying a new exhaust system for it. The issue is not about the bike - it is about the fairness of a social insurance scheme. By the way, if private insurance companies charge $750 to insure a bike worth $15,000, and the Government plans to charge the same amount to cover an injury worth potentially millions, how much more do you think you will pay in levies when private insurers get their hands on the scheme? Privatisation will see New Zealanders left paying more for less to pay the bills of lawyers and foreign-owned corporates and to cover much higher administration costs
    Do the figures include off-road motorcycle claims?
    Assuming the ACC is right, not yet. But as soon as the government can work out a way to hurt this group too, they will.
    Why do motorcyclists pay over and over again if they own more than one bike?
    There is reason for imposing a levy for each bike, but there is no reason for charging exorbitant levies which will force owners of several bikes to head to their bank managers. ACC’s real motive is to punish motorcyclists for their lifestyle.
    How to make a submission
    Not much point really. The National Government has already made up its mind. If you want to change the policy, go to
    ACCworks.org.nz and help Labour stop National’s ACC rip-off.
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    Hon Phil Goff
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    woot. This is going international.

    I think ACC may have made a tactical mistake.

    And now Labour has brought in that the government really wants to "punish motorcyclists for their lifestyle" !

    And saying that the consultation is a sham. They aren't pulling their punches

    That's dynamite!
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