SEND LAWYERS. The Nickster may HAVE to consult with us

[riffer]

The point is he MUST consult.

Hitherto I thought that there was no statutory requirement for the Minister to consult. Only ACC . I was wrong. The inclusion of the split by cc brings in S 330. They may regret that idea.

Not trying to rain on your parade, but what's to stop them changing this law?

Who's run a fine-toothed comb over the latest amendments to check this hasn't already been done?

[Ixion]

Nothing to stop them changing the law. But law changes take time. A lot of time. And require Select Committee submissions - even worse from his point of view.

I'll check the latest amendment Bill, but that won't help him anyway, the levies have to be set under this Act.

[ManDownUnder]

Notify Phil Goff, in wiriting, confirming that the meeting on the 17th in no way constitutes consultation. Put that stake in the ground ASAP

[Ixion]

Checked the Amendment Bill

Only provision relating to SS330-1 is irrelevant

Sections 330 and 331 of principal Act do not apply to making of regulations for Work Account in 2010–11 tax year

• Sections 330 and 331 of the principal Act do not apply to the making of regulations in relation to the Work Account for the 2010–11 tax year.
  

S 216 is amended, in a way that doesn't directly affect us (but does add weight to the suggestion that they want to include other groups in this exercise). But S 329 still refers to S216 , and S 330 still references S329 directly. So, no change.

[Ixion]

Notify Phil Goff, in wiriting, confirming that the meeting on the 17th in no way constitutes consultation. Put that stake in the ground ASAP

yep. we're on to it.

[ManDownUnder]

What's to stop the Minister consulting with Insurance Professionals in respect of accidnet and claim figures? Why would he have to speak to anyone that rides at all?

[Str8 Jacket]

Why would he have to speak to anyone that rides at all?

BINGO!

[Mully]

WARNING:

Be aware that Nick Smith may try to meet with the AA as a representative body.

Can BRONZ register their interest as a relevant body??

[Ixion]

He could try it. Consult with 'appropriate' He could try arguing that the Police were appropriate also.
But there is much case law about such things. And now that labour are on the case boots and all he wouldn't dare try anything like that.

That's like the far fetched excuses soemtimes seen here from folk who ahve been pulled up by the police. Ministers are bound by the law, just liek anyone else. he can't put his own farfetched interpretation on it.

The Act is fairly clear. Consult with approriate persons or groups. To pass a regulation ONLY affecting motorcyclists without deeming them 'appropriate' to consult with would never stand up in court. or Parliament.

of course, the PRACTICAL effect could be nil. He could "consult" with us, then say "I consulted with them. they didn't have anything worthwhile to say so I ignored them".

But , that might be fine if this was not so high profile. With labour running out the big guns, he'd just make himself look like fool.

I reckon teh labour party can smell blood!

[Mully]

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again......

I get this tune in my head every time I read this forum.

[firefighter]

The tauranga president owns a hayabusa he has been presdient for 4+ years, and owned a busa that whole time.

I was taking the piss. But thanks for that.

[Jantar]

And then there is a motorcycle organistation with "Members: 17,417, Active Members: 5,158" I should think that they would have to be consulted as well.

[Mully]

And then there is a motorcycle organistation with "Members: 17,417, Active Members: 5,158" I should think that they would have to be consulted as well.

Ahh, but it's Not A Democracy (tm)

Send your $20 to Les.....

[Ixion]

Not a legal entity, though. Although that doesn't necessarily preclude it.

[Eddieb]

WARNING:

Be aware that Nick Smith may try to meet with the AA as a representative body.

Can BRONZ register their interest as a relevant body??

Would it be that as the AA is the AUTOMOBILE Association they would not qualify as a representative organisation?

My view is that Automobile applies to 4 wheeled vehicles, besides which the AA has never done anything that I am aware of to assit motorcyclists in NZ. I'm happy to be corrected though.