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    Waikato Times Editorial - and reply

    Attached is the Waikato Times editorial of Wednesday 4 November. "Bikers should pay their bill."

    The content is not quite as contentious as the heading but it warranted a reply IMO. Which went as follows:


    Your editorial headline of 4 November, "Bikers should pay their bill," suggests that you believe that each individual user group should pay its own way within ACC, despite this being in contradiction of the founding principles of the ACC fund.

    Given this headline, are we to assume that you will also call for other user groups to "pay their bill?" Can we expect you to call for ACC contributions from, for example, cyclists and pedestrians since they too call upon the resources of the motor vehicles account?
    ACC's Injury Statistics 2008 report (http://tr.im/BV1k) details claims against the Motor Vehicles account in that year. It seems there were 567 claims by cyclists, at a cost of $22,174 per claim and there were 1115 claims by pedestrians at a cost of $21,967 per claim.

    I am sure similar arguments could be levelled against many sporting codes as well.

    When will you be asking these groups to "pay their bill?"



    Ya reckon they'll print that?
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    I can't read the article Can you maybe type it out or provide a link to it on their web page?
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    It will be interesting to see how their motorcycle columnist replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chisanga View Post
    I can't read the article ...
    Open the image in a new tab, then click on the image to take to full size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virago View Post
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    Thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
    It will be interesting to see how their motorcycle columnist replies.
    GOOD POINT!! Better PM him...
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    On an unrelated topic, can ASA complaints be made against editorial content?

    Just wondering......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    On an unrelated topic, can ASA complaints be made against editorial content?

    Just wondering......
    Dunno - but we should go there over ACC's ads yesterday...full of fucking lies!
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    Letter to the editor sent

    Sir

    As a motorcyclist I wish to clarify some points in your recent editorial on ACC levy increases

    Motorcycle casualties in 2008 were double those in 2000 ? True, but there were double the number of motorcycles on the road! In fact the rate of crashes per 10000 machines has hardly changed, fatalities per 10000 have actually decreased

    You say that motorcyclists are 16 times as likely to crash as cars. This urban myth is quite incorrect. The 16 x figure (from a 1998 study - the world has moved on) relates to crashes per million kilometres. Motorcycles travel fewer kilometers than cars - only a quarter as many by ACC figures. Less distance means fewer crashes.

    The claim that motorcyclists"should" be paying $3700 is equally spurious . It is derived by multiplying the car levy by that same 16 times factor . How ludicrous that is can be seen by simple arithmetic. The total cost of all motorcycle payments in 2008 was $62 million. But 100000 motorcycles paying $3700 is $370 million.

    Nor do motorcycle crashes cost four times as much as cars. In fact they cost less. Motorcycle claims in 2008 averaged $19000. Cars cost $22000

    Finally you say that motorcyclists ride for enjoyment not financial reasons. That may be so in the Waikato (though I doubt it) , it certainly is not true elsewhere . I , like many thousands of motorcyclists, use my motorcycle for daily transport.

    Motorcyclists make a positive environmental and social contribution. They allow transport for those who could not other wise afford it. They reduce congestion, cause less pollution and emissions than cars , and have a far smaller footprint. it is sad to see them selected as an easy target for tax grabbing.



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    That's a good letter, Ixion.

    They really came up with the $3700 figure by multiplying the car levy by 16?

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    I reckon so. The maths works out. haven't seen any other derivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    That's a good letter, Ixion.

    They really came up with the $3700 figure by multiplying the car levy by 16?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I reckon so. The maths works out. haven't seen any other derivation.
    Nope. They took the $38M spent on old active claims in 2008 and multiplied by 20 (years) as being the life of a long term active claim.
    It's still bullshit.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Nope. They took the $38M spent on old active claims in 2008 and multiplied by 20 (years) as being the life of a long term active claim.
    It's still bullshit.
    That works out at $7600 per motorcycle.
    Time to ride

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    Ah fuck it. I've missed something in there then. I did work it out the other day, trying to see how they'd come up with it.
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