Yeah. Anger is 1 letter short of danger. Controlled aggression is better. No hot heads revving everyone up and making rash mistakes pleaseOriginally Posted by StoneY
Trying to be a good dog
Yeah. Anger is 1 letter short of danger. Controlled aggression is better. No hot heads revving everyone up and making rash mistakes please
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
Sure: I advocate a controlled aggressive slow ride along the Southern Motorway blocking all lanes for several hours over and over again until they pay attention.........
Enjoys doing what he does
Mate,
your passion is commendable but your ideas are destructive.
We are no where near the stage of anything other than peaceful, non disruptive protest, please dont fuck this up.
Last edited by Kiwi Graham; 10th November 2009 at 19:05. Reason: ha ha spell checked
Forum whore
One of the issues we have are bikers who don't give a shit about spelling or sentence construction or using the right word in the right context.
I'm not loosing anything.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Fair weather rider
I agree with stoney we are not loosing guys, everyone I have spoken my boss, friiends all agree that the acc levies are a crock of shit.
there is huge support for us, the wellington ride with 6000 to 8000 riders is for one totally historic, I cant remember ever seeing anything like this protest.
If smith has done his political numbers, he will know a protest of this size can get him out of a job, in my opinion, he will no chioce but to bend or next election is on the line for national if he doesn't.
cheers,
Bob
For whom the bell tolls
Get the message across that we are just the first of many a minority to be targeted - we are just the easiest of the pickings.
The change is:
Fundamentally wrong - going against the original idea of what ACC was setup for.
Discriminatory - against bikers for the meantime, but soon to spread to others minorities.
Stop the 'angry bikers' bollocks and start making the public aware that we are just the first line of attack against this change which will affect ALL NEW ZEALANDERS who want to use ACC in the future.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
fuck what up?
so far they are ignoring us, getting their attention and that of the media is not a fuck up; attacking the messenger instead of the instigator is a fuck up
please let me in on the secret: peaceful, non disruptive protest has cleaned up the road works?
peaceful, non disruptive protest has made em take out miles of cheesecutter?
peaceful, non disruptive protest has persuaded wellington CC to put in more bike parks instead of taking them away?
peaceful non disruptive protest has stopped the police describing damn near every bike accident as "due to excessive speed"?
mass disruptive protest however DID actually win a major battle with the Auck CC
from my POV; motorcyclists rights gave taken many leaps backward over the last 20 years
what peaceful non disruptive action has or will reverse that trend? I apologise, I don't see a solution in peaceful non disruprive action, all I can see is history
has made a bo-bo in his nappies
the next election is years away; that's why they do these things in the early part of a term: the public will forget and the right wingers here will still vote national
Whip it, whip it good!
Apologies for the shortened quote, hope I did not miss anything important.
I am part of a 2 member voting household, though we have 4 in reserve
You are right, cars and bikes. I dont even want to think about the amount of ACC we pay here. Let me see...
Employer levies, residual employer levies, deducted at source PAYE based levies, Acc levies by vehicle 2 bikes, 2 petrol powered vehicles.
I am a menacetruely, I really am a menace. I contribute more than I friggen earn right now!
And this is yet another avenue to be explored, the ordinary bloke who HATES motorcycles. I am sure they dont really, but woe betide them, it WILL be their turn next. We are bike focussed for the now, but we are not the only ones about to be bitten on the arse. At least we, or some of us anyways are prepared to spend a bit of energy to push back against this completely unacceptable, outrageous levy proposal.
Me either, infact I take exception to being called loose in any form.
Cogito ergo zoom
Writing a letter to the editor of the paper it appeared in (I did) costs nothing, and I think a lot of people read the letters page. So far, mine hasn't been published, but an earlier letter I wrote about the motorbike levy hike was published.
EDIT: Letter published in ODT 11/11 hooray!
Forum whore
Y'know, round about now every police intelligence oik told off to watch us, is yelling "Sarge, Sarge, come here quick"
The debate about peaceful versus disruptive is worth having. But not in public view.
If you don't support disruptive protest then debating the idea in a public forum is sending totally the wrong message
If you do, then giving away your agenda is just plain stupid.
I've changed the MANIFESTO public group so it's invite only and laboriously copied the appropriate posts from here (and a boring task it was)
I've sent invites to everyone that's been debating it here.
Anyone else wants in, just post here and I'll add you, provided you didn't join just a few days ago, and your handle isn't something like Size13Boots. (unless a clever mod can come up with an easier way of doing it )
I really very strongly suggest that the debate be held there , out of sight of the world.
And a passing thought. There's a time and place for every purpose under Heaven.
s
Whip it, whip it good!
Hardcore Biker
The govt pushes one divisive message - cars subsidise you
The answer is to push one even more powerful message instead. Switch and set the agenda. Too many messages results in confusion. But find a good one that is more interesting to media to drown out ACCs drivel meme. Goal - every Kiwi knows it.
IMO best picks would be one of
1. This is a back door way for a fault based scheme and heres how it will affect other (main) groups taken to logical conclusion...
2. Bikers made to carry can for failed road safety experiment commenced 2003 but failure to deal to cause will see massive hikes fopr other groups inevitable as the situation worsens.
Not environment - people have green fatigue
Not parking etc as not such an emotive button to push
Stay away from pushing the bikers are philanthropists, or poor us taxed off roads. Too off the relate it to me me me (the non biker majority) topic, sympathy more likely from arguments that are inclusive, and concern fairness or fear mongering. Kiwis pride on a fair go.
Vital supportive info - bikers not featuring in serious injury rise, its cagers per MoH stats
The danger wityh Lasbour acting on side is it caused the problem so won't want to look too hard fr source and solutions, Nats however if encouraged to properly deal with it may rise to occasion - it is listening hard to public messages - it has walkedinto an unholy mess and is trying for urgent solutions even before getting its head round Clarks ground zero. Time is the friend - seeking deeper consideration and offering up solutions.
Hardcore Biker
They keep screwing up, their points change as they faulter...
snot crasher
bling sent! at the moment I think ACC are doing more than we ever could to make themselves look like coonts. Bulshit stats, news paper ads promoting bs stats, stationary change to "ACC insurance" and press releases about there new computer system being built for forseen competition with private sector companys, they're doing an amazing job of letting everyone know what a pack of assholes and lyars they are.
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