Promotional Ride with ACC

[Squiggles]

Not to be mistaken for a protest, this is the part where we attempt to get some of our monies worth... working with the accident prevention team.

They're looking to have some kind of promotional ride at the end of the month, around the city and other places of interest... promoting good gear and being seen (i believe). Scooter riders are most definately welcome, they really want to hit it home to the scooter commuters. The police will be involved so should have a couple of cop bikes amongst us

So who will be free around the 28th (Sat)? Ride wont necessarily be on that day but who is free and willing around then?

Edit: Before i forget, you should get a fuel voucher for your support


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[Ixion]

Hm. Call me Cynical Sid, but will not such a visible support of ACC be publicised by the ACC , or the government , and pointed to as grounds that "Responsible motorcyclists support ACC (and it's new levy structure) ".

I know the people organising such a ride are not the same department as Mr McLea, but it would be awful hard to prevent them morphing "support for ACC " over into "Support for levies" .

[Squiggles]

I know the people organising such a ride are not the same department as Mr McLea, but it would be awful hard to prevent them morphing "support for ACC " over into "Support for levies" .

Yer, they're not too happy about their bosses approach as its threatening to undo all the good will they've established, i'd like to see that not happen.
To my knowledge, if any banners were displayed they'd be the Ride forever ones... (as seen @ the pink ribbon ride) Pamplets those seen on the Riderforever and that scooter site they've just setup (dunno what its called)... We'll be riding in a group or two wearing the standard visi vests etc nothing else is confirmed.

The last event we did with them is here Not sure where the pics have gone

[Laxi]

Hm. Call me Cynical Sid, but will not such a visible support of ACC be publicised by the ACC , or the government , and pointed to as grounds that "Responsible motorcyclists support ACC (and it's new levy structure) ".

I know the people organising such a ride are not the same department as Mr McLea, but it would be awful hard to prevent them morphing "support for ACC " over into "Support for levies" .

+1, I wouldn't be keen to support anything involving ACC at the moment!
just my 2cents

[Phurrball]

It would be worth pointing out the conflation of the two ACC areas in people's minds to the powers that be Les.

ACC's worthy initiatives will be gazumped by the ill-feeling that's come about through the levy proposals. ACC's initiatives to minimise injury to bikers through visibility and safety gear campaigns will be diluted by the "Anti ACC" feeling.

It's a pretty sad outcome really. One that could easily be predicted when considering reaction to the levy proposals.

(Really, the feeling is anti National Government policy and anti the proposals of their hand-picked ACC minions , but I wouldn't expect most people to make that policy/operational distinction )

Given the über-spin on ACC stats and the op-ed pieces appearing here and there in the media, I share concerns about spin opportunity, as worthy as this initiative is.

*sigh*

*Heavy Sigh*

[Laxi]

what ACC visibility campaign? what safty gear campaign? I dont see them spending money on tv or even newspaper ads do you? they even have a policy to oppose rider training, because according to them it encourages speeding! screw them!

[cs363]

Hm. Call me Cynical Sid, but will not such a visible support of ACC be publicised by the ACC , or the government , and pointed to as grounds that "Responsible motorcyclists support ACC (and it's new levy structure) ".

I know the people organising such a ride are not the same department as Mr McLea, but it would be awful hard to prevent them morphing "support for ACC " over into "Support for levies" .

Agreed. Despite some of the good people who work for ACC having good aims and ideas, because of the actions of their bosses and the minister in my opinion it would be foolhardy to show support for them at this time.

In fact, a distinct lack of support (or better still a protest!) may stir up some action within, if indeed these well meaning people within ACC see that their work may come undone due to the actions from above.

Just my 2 cents worth...

[Real_Wolf]

I might come if my bike is legal and so is my license at that point

[Squiggles]

+1, I wouldn't be keen to support anything involving ACC at the moment!
just my 2cents

In fact, a distinct lack of support (or better still a protest!) may stir up some action within, if indeed these well meaning people within ACC see that their work may come undone due to the actions from above.

They're well aware that numbers will be reduced, but i believe they'll be doing it regardless of whether we're there or not... if we can make a good show of it, well...asides from the potential good, i'm pushing for some more rider training vouchers among other things

I might come if my bike is legal and so is my license at that point

Thats what i wanted to find from this thread... Who is still interested in attending (i brought it up a month or so ago for those suffering memory loss)

Should be meeting with Henry (he was the one @ the pink ribbon ride) in the coming week to see what we cant sort out.

[cs363]

They're well aware that numbers will be reduced, but i believe they'll be doing it regardless of whether we're there or not... if we can make a good show of it, well...asides from the potential good, i'm pushing for some more rider training vouchers among other things.

I understand your reasons for wanting to attend, no problem there - I think what Ixion, myself and no doubt quite a few others are concerned about is the possibility of press coverage and it's ability to be manipulated against the anti-ACC levy protests.

Some might go further and suggest that the whole ACC motorcycle safety program http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/m...illion+problem supports the entire program ACC are currently trying to force down our collective throats to fill their coffers.

If that is a concern to you, it might pay to have a plan of action in regard to repeating the anti-ACC levy issue,should the press be present? (Using the anti levy angle rather than anti-ACC might have some merit?)
Or perhaps others without vested interests could use this as an opportunity to protest (peacefully of course)?

Just throwing the thought(s) out there

[The Stranger:Me]

My advice is DON'T DO IT. As Ixion points out, it could well be used against you. Why put yourself and us in that position?

[Slyer]

Why wouldn't we do this? I like ACC, I think it's a great system compared to how other countries have it. It could use a few tweaks but still...
We want to show that we support any efforts to improve motorcycle safety, it doesn't mean we support their new proposed levys. We want ACC to be our friends, not our enemies. (Even though certain sections are being very UNfriendly.)

As long as this is a ride to promote safety and not promote the levy hike, everyone should go.
We should be support rideforever whenever possible.

[Squiggles]

As long as this is a ride to promote safety and not promote the levy hike, everyone should go.
We should be support rideforever whenever possible.

My thoughts exactly..... Henry's in contact with Magnetos too so we might have some scoots along from them


The media has never attended an event before, and we'll be riding almost the entire time. Should someone want a word re ACC it'll be along the lines of The hikes are a load of BS, how about some of the directors pay goes into accident prevention events like this.

[PirateJafa]

I'm in, and possibly even legal.

[firefighter]

A worthy cause, but unfortunately I would'nt feel "right" attending at the mo. with the current issues surrounding the sponsor.

It would be like attending an anti rasicm and productivity in the workplace seminar sponsored by Harawira.

It's just not cricket.

Or perhaps we could have the Adolf family sponsor a memorial to Jews? You know what I mean?