Invitation to Mr McLea

[The Stranger:Me]

gotta be carefull there works a platimum partner

I'm so sorry for you.

[Naki Rat]

I agree that the best approach is to keep it simple and easily digested by Joe Citizen. We have the advantage of having increasing numbers of the general public siding with us as the real story emerges. Keep the "who's next" thrust going as it gains us support by way of both sympathy and fear.

This campaign has so many parallels with the one that was waged against genetic engineering it's scarey, and can be used as something of a template for us now. ACC/National have and will introduce complex principals that both scare and confuse the public into agreeing with their actions but unlike the GE thing this time we can make our claims of threats that include a downside to Joe Citizen and that's where our strength lies. We also have a much wider support base that is spread throughout the population on all demographic levels than the Greens et al could muster against GE.

Unfortunately one major hangover of the GE battle was a huge loss of energy and vitality in the organic sector. I'm not sure if or how that phase will portray itself as this battle plays out, especially if we have a mediocre victory, or worse

Awesome effort Les, and many others. My feeling is that ACC and the government are finding far more resistance than they ever expected and we are now starting to see them on the back foot at times. Here's hoping

[StoneY]

Thanks Stranger, the plug in worked a treat


See attached

Issue is there has been a figure of 116,000 shown in crash report figures as total motorcycle/moped fleet, this doc shows Nicks version is closer to the real figure....somehtings not right between these govt agencies, none give the same figure, none even close to each other numbrrs wise
On phone when I asked for this they verbally quoted 116,000 bikes, this doc says otherwise...wtf?

[Jantar]

Keep it simple as you say Les.

How much is spent each year?
How many motorcycles
Divide one by the other and voila... the ACC component of the license...

But what about the component we pay on fuels as well?

[ManDownUnder]

Les - ... any chance of an open debate on the issue?

I.e. BRONZ, ACC... each states it's position then opens the floor to... an interviewer and/or the public?

[ManDownUnder]

But what about the component we pay on fuels as well?

That's already factored into the status quo.

We're talking about the amount charged as part of registration to 'top up" the shortfall. Meaning the number calculated above (payments/motorcycle regos) would be the highest possible numbner that could be charged... and that's only if ACC component was removed from fuels.

... I'm guessing that was your point?

[Mully]

Les - ... any chance of an open debate on the issue?

I.e. BRONZ, ACC... each states it's position then opens the floor to... an interviewer and/or the public?

Could we get Campbo to host it; that'd be maaaaaaaarvelous..

[Azi Dahaka]

Keep it simple as you say Les.
How much is spent each year?
How many motorcycles
Divide one by the other and voila... the ACC component of the license

well that works out to 4 or 5 hundred as our levies only covered 30 odd million of the 64 million though i do supose that dosnt cover the fule we used and the acc tax on the fule but how do you calculate that

[Marmoot]

If you do go into a public debate with Mr. McLea, you'd be right to assume he would have absorped any information discussed in KB and developed angle of attacks on every weak points presented here.

Well that's most likely what I would have done if I were him anyway.

[steve_t]

I may just be blind but what are the specifics of the "misinformation" propagated by bikers?

[Azi Dahaka]

If you do go into a public debate with Mr. McLea, you'd be right to assume he would have absorped any information discussed in KB and developed angle of attacks on every weak points presented here.

Well that's most likely what I would have done if I were him anyway.

yes but that would denote that he has some level of intelligance

[klingon]

If you do go into a public debate with Mr. McLea, you'd be right to assume he would have absorped any information discussed in KB and developed angle of attacks on every weak points presented here.

Well that's most likely what I would have done if I were him anyway.

LOL he would have had to employ three new staff members just to keep up with all the stuff currently on KB about ACC!

Poor Mr McLea... he really didn't know what he was letting himself in for when he picked on this bunch of Neanderthals.

[Azi Dahaka]

LOL he would have had to employ three new staff members just to keep up with all the stuff currently on KB about ACC!

Poor Mr McLea... he really didn't know what he was letting himself in for when he picked on this bunch of Neanderthals.

i am sorry but i woudl rather know myself as a Clapperdudgeon

[pzkpfw]

One of the basic "facts" from the ACC is the trio of:

$63 M spent on bikes, $12 M collected, $77 per car goes to bikes.

This is of course way more complex than ACC imply; as we all know $77 per car is way more than $63 M minus $12 M. There are factors such as that the $63 M spent includes money collected in previous years, and that the money they still need to collect includes future payments, residual fund etc.

But, keeping it at that "simple level" - for the purpose of an Apples with Apples comparison; what would the equivalent numbers be for cars?

[i.e. this is not about the validity of the numbers, but looking for comparable numbers for the other side of the fence.]

That is, take the money paid by cars and subtract the $77 that ACC claim is for bikes. How does that number then compare with the $X M they paid out for car related claims and the $Y M they claim to have collected from cars.

?

[Big Dave]

LOL he would have had to employ three new staff members just to keep up with all the stuff currently on KB about ACC!

Or 1 search engine.