The bigger picture.

[Katman]

Do you get me now ?

What this thread is about far exceeds any poxy ACC bitchfest.

As I've said - you clearly haven't got a clue what I on about.

[snuffles]

Seems a bit silly to post a comment in a forum designed for such and be upset when your comment is commented upon.

Grow a thicker skin or turn the computer off dude. It's only teh interweb™

Fuck off

[snuffles]

now that was not a very grown up thing for me to say.......quickly, let me find some one else to blame

[Ronin]

Fuck off

No










10fc

[jeffs]

As I've said - you clearly haven't got a clue what I on about.

yes, you are too complex for me

[Katman]

yes, you are too complex for me

Here's a clue.

Go back and read the first post again.

[jeffs]

.So how many on here are prepared to consider why we find ourselves in the current situation that we do?

I did thats my point. What is yours ?

[Katman]

I did thats my point. What is yours ?

You're really hard work jeffs.

1. Motorcyclists crash lots.
2. Figures show that we are responsible for the majority of those crashes.
3. The public sees us crashing lots.
4. The general public says "those motorcyclists are idiots and are costing us money"
5. The government says "hey, we've got an idea for getting this proposal accepted by the general public".
6. All hell breaks loose upon motorcyclists.

What's the answer?

It's simple - crash less.

I'm not going to spell it out any clearer for you.

If you still don't get it, go back to your Playstation.

[jeffs]

I'm not going to spell it out any clearer for you. If you still don't get it, go back to your Playstation.

I don't own a playstation, I own an open mind

[caseye]

There it is everyone, no one can say they don't know where Katman is coming from.
It's up to each and everyone of us to do the best we can to become better, safer riders.We fail, we get hurt, the public sees that and sides with the gubbermint.
I agree with Katman.

[Katman]

I don't own a playstation, I own an open mind

What, with lots of wind blowing through it?

[jeffs]

So you say to any one who does not agree with you.

I suspect since it is not your view, you did not even read my view, or just dismissed it as "wind"

[Ixion]

It is pertinent to note that ACC have been trying to do this for at least 5 years. They have brought it up in proposals every year. But, until this year, the ACC Minister said "no way".

The difference is this year the Minister has a different agenda.

It's not a "public hate motoryclists" thing. They don't. Nothing to do with "the situation we find ourselves in"

It's a "Government wants to restructure ACC " thing.

The only relevance is that we cost ACC more money than we provide. But a levy structure where we pay the same as cars, or not a lot more, that's probably always going to be the case. No steel shell means that we will cost more for the same accident rate.

To break even we either have to have an accident rate WAY less than cars (probably down below the random event level) , or else pay more in levies. Or, ACC accept that cost more <> levy more. Which the last government accepted. This one doesn't. Simple as that

[Katman]

Simple as that

Why then have I heard you mumble under your breath many times "Perhaps we could all just try to fall over less"?

[Oscar]

There is a certain amount of irony in the fact that some Motorcyclists do try to project an image of being dangerous and/or windswept and/or interesting and now that perception is working against us.


Just saying...