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    I thought bringing some big guns to bear might be the ticket

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    New Zealand Council of Trade Unions
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    PO Box 6645, Marion Square, Wellington 6141.

    Attention: Ms H. Kelly.

    Dear Ms Kelly,

    As you may be aware a significant protest against the raising of ACC levies by motorcyclists is in progress.

    However, since beginning our campaign against ACC and Nick Smith we have learned a great deal and we believe transmitting this data to you will be useful.


    Primary Moot.

    The current methods used to levy ACC are iniquitous and demonstrably unfair. Further, they sap precious capital from the consumer market while unfairly taking money from the productive sector and employees.

    Please consider the structure of the levies.

    1. Employee levies are based upon assumed risk of an employee but only while that employee is at work
    2. Thus the risk analysis does not consider the employee risk when he is elsewhere.
    3. There is no targeted levy on any activity outside the work-place other than the specific levy set against only registered road-users.
    4. Non-earners of all sorts, including super annuitants, beneficiaries of all types, and unemployed children, pay no direct ‘employee type’ levy, yet constitute over 50% of the
    population.
    5. Tourists pay no levies.
    6. Risk-based levies are, of themselves, singularly focused (work-place and registered road-users). Yet claims from these two groups comprise less than 30% of all ACC
    claims. In other words, 30% of ACC payers are subsidising the other 70%.

    Now allow me to bring your attention to current and proposed increases in ACC road-user levies.

    To begin, we know that the average individual income (gross) in New Zealand is, according to the NZ Income Survey, 2009 June Quarter, $27976 gross.

    So let’s deal with the proposed increases in the ACC levy, set at an average of 16 cents per $100 of gross income. Thus the average income-earner will lose a further $447 per annum.

    You’ll appreciate that that $447 is effectively withdrawn from the engine-room of our economy; ergo the spenders. And on employees earning such low wages, the impact will be dramatic.

    Wage-earners cannot avoid the employee levy, but they can avoid the road-user levy by simply not paying registration.

    According to Ministry of Justice figures, in the 2009 June quarter, 7191, no-rego notices were issued. Extrapolate that to a year and we get 28,764, each attracting a fine (largely unpayable …and unpaid…by those who attract such penalties…low income-earners) of $400.

    So what happens to such defaulters? They get shunted through the court system and get tagged with say, 50 hours PD. That’s roughly 12 weekend days during which they are not with their families. Meanwhile they have cost their employers an incalculable sum for the time they have to take off work to attend court.

    BTW: If you think this is a fiction, go spend a day in any Traffic court in the land.

    But worse. They have become criminals with a record. They are low income-earners in any event, so their “Who gives a shit?” attitude is further supported. That will lead to an increase in crime by those who have so little left to lose.

    Also, the health sector suffers an increase in cost when those who simply can’t afford primary care; now to be added to by the extra Employee ACC levies, turn up at a hospital as either themselves or their children in last-gasp circumstances.

    Increasing ACC will increase this factor beyond comprehension.

    All businesses who run vehicles are faced with the dealing with the increase in road-user levies (both from registration and fuel levy). Who will pay that extra cost? The consumer because business will simply lump the cost onto the end-product price.

    Once again, the low income earner is penalised.

    In this way, social degradation expands, slowly but inexorably.

    There is one absolute upon which you can rely, and that is, “A man who has nothing left to lose has no reason to comply with any law.”

    And so, by maintaining current ACC levies, and arbitrarily increasing them, the government will be adding fuel to the growing lawlessness which already surrounds us.

    And may I remind you the burden of ACC costs is borne by about 30% of the population.

    The Solution.


    The solution to ACC equity, while dramatically improving our national cash-flow, helping to protect your political tenure is elegantly simple.

    Remove all current ACC levies raise GST by 2.5%.

    Fifteen percent added equals 7.666% off, so GST would still be easily calculable.

    The 2.5% increase to fund all ACC while leaving an annual excess of around $20 billion to pay for other health initiatives; maybe even repay some debt!

    Of course you will appreciate the voter, if faced with a 2.5% hike in GST will scream long and loud unless there is an equitable reward.

    Here is that reward.

    1. Removing all ACC direct levies from motor vehicles saves the average household $245 p.a.. Assume a further $100 saved in the fuel levy.
    2. Removing ACC (motor vehicle levies) will dramatically reduce transport operator, operating costs thus enabling goods to reduce in price. Let’s reasonably assume a
    further $150 a year saving/extra spending power.
    3. Remove Employee levies. Using the national average income of $28764 (gross) and using the average employee levy of 1.31% that would put a further $377 back into
    employee pockets…to spend in the wider economy.
    3a. In fact, the benefit to low income earners would be averagely higher than the average quoted because many to most low income earners work in higher risk industries
    thus their levies are far higher than the average quoted. But we’re dealing with a concept here, not specifics.
    4. Consider the value impact on a both-employed family running two vehicles.

    The cost.

    Using the average income of $28764 and dividing into GSTable and non-GSTable components. The greatest Non-GSTable component for the average low income earner is either rent or mortgage.

    To that average person rent/mortgage sucks averagely $18,000 from their income. Thus they have $10,764 to spend of GSTable items. At 15% they would contribute $1614. At 12.5% GST they already contribute $1345 p.a. The 2.5% increase would represent just $269, against an $872 saving.

    The Equity.

    As you will appreciate, when ACC is funded from GST then all potential ACC claimants, including tourists, contribute something instead of the current regime where only 30% fund the rest.

    Future Aims.

    We trust the foregoing will give you cause to consider entering into talks with our lobby group with a view to combining resources with the view to force government to reformat ACC levies in the manner suggested.
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    I do have a vague notion they may already be aware

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpex View Post
    Who else can we talking with?


    *snip*

    We trust the foregoing will give you cause to consider entering into talks with our lobby group with a view to combining resources with the view to force government to reformat ACC levies in the manner suggested.

    Who's this "we" you speak of grasshopper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpex View Post
    According to Ministry of Justice figures, in the 2009 June quarter, 7191, no-rego notices were issued. Extrapolate that to a year and we get 28,764, each attracting a fine (largely unpayable …and unpaid…by those who attract such penalties…low income-earners) of $400.
    dpex, I think the fine might only be $200 (Not that I have been checking or anything)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblyas View Post
    dpex, I think the fine might only be $200 (Not that I have been checking or anything)
    It's $400.
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    Transport Act 9186
    Section 5, Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 Using, etc, unlicensed motor vehicle or motor vehicle that does not have registration plates affixed in the prescribed manner............................................ ....................... $200
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    We could try Prince William as a "big gun". He's coming next year, I've got a photo of him riding a Ducati 1198. Apparently he loves his fast performance bikes. It would be great if we could "loan" him a ride on an RSV4 Factory...
    "I saw, I came, I conquered".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I do have a vague notion they may already be aware

    Participating organisations, about half way down
    Bloody marvelous link, Les. Thanks mate. I just sent Hazel Armstrong the Kelly letter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudfart View Post
    We could try Prince William as a "big gun". He's coming next year, I've got a photo of him riding a Ducati 1198. Apparently he loves his fast performance bikes. It would be great if we could "loan" him a ride on an RSV4 Factory...
    It's not as far-fetched as you might think.

    Maybe we can find out his itinerary, his local contact agent, and then maybe set up a real big ride, ending with him doing a celebratory run around Hampton Downs, with a few celeb riders, like me and Stroudy. :--))

    I'm sure HD would put up a free bike for the entire event, cos they'd get telly coverage.

    Anybody up for trying to find out how to contact Willy?

    Les...You're chief organiser. How could we bast make use of this potential resource?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AD345 View Post
    Who's this "we" you speak of grasshopper?
    You, me, and anyone else who wants to be a part of it.

    However, I'll be out of the frame from 11th Dec on account of the racing starts. Puke 12/13th. Manfield 18th/19, then Cemetery 26th. After than I'm going fishing for a week.

    In fact I've just realised you make an interesting point. I'll post my thoughts in another thread. Good on ya for jogging my poor old brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I do have a vague notion they may already be aware

    Participating organisations, about half way down
    Bugger me! I just read the list of those in the coalition. That's a shit-load of very powerful groups.

    Woohooo!

    I wonder if Smith realises the size of the tidal wave coming at him.

    I wonder if the back-benchers know.

    Maybe I should inform them.....Dpex feels malicious giggle coming on. :--))
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    Today at select committee the AA said it "supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount".

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...clause-slammed

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    Quote Originally Posted by candor View Post
    Today at select committee the AA said it "supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount".

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...clause-slammed
    Hmmmm. Good find, Candor.

    We have to get AA on side. The question being, how?
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    The AA hates motorcycles with a fiery passion.

    The only way to get the AA on side is to show them the fact that their membership will be next (literalyy the "who's next?" message)
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    Ask to meet with your local National council member to discuss facts and policy and mmake a presentation on behalf of members who are bikers. They have regular National Councils. Or else go to the National Office and seek a hearing withsenior policy writers or da boss? They are usually receptive.

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