Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

[Waxxa]

at all times at any protest, we 'bikers' must come across as a determined and factual group with a clear purpose in mind.

common stategy people....numbers of people (us), facts and figures, intelligent means of pushing the message hard rather than arriving as a bunch of loud 'yobbos' talking personal perceptions...will hopefully change the course of this proposal.

But is the questioning going to be over levies or climate impact of motorcycles?

[StoneY]

And I can't think of any online way to discuss things that can't be snooped.

Hmmmmmmmm
The 'social group' was mildly successful, but does limit the number of people that get the info accurately

When I was an online gamer I hosted Teamspeak servers, was a free VOIP program that was cool for group discussion, as is Skype

Maybe a private Skype channel? You would have to authorise the users one by one but garantees some privacy without riding out in the wops.
There has to be a way.........

[short-circuit]

I'm seriously wondering about your bona fides here.

Been saying this all along - Peter is a plant and apologist for these scumbags

A grade A bullshit artist

[Ixion]

All those things fail at the "Hi I'm a biker I'd like to join the discussion" (aside "Yeah, they think I'm a biker, tell Nick we're in, boss" ) test. If someone wants to join in, how do you know they actually ride?

[drummer]

at all times at any protest, we 'bikers' must come across as a determined and factual group with a clear purpose in mind.

common stategy people....numbers of people (us), facts and figures, intelligent means of pushing the message hard rather than arriving as a bunch of loud 'yobbos' talking personal perceptions...will hopefully change the course of this proposal.

But is the questioning going to be over levies or climate impact of motorcycles?

Agree totally

The questioning on the two topics I believe goes hand in hand.... although I would think the majority is going to be from ourselves if we control it right and in that case probably more ACC related

Peter

[StoneY]

Can be managed via e-mail confirmation too....was just a thought
Could cross reference each e-mail vs KB logon....ah fuck it too much work

Deal face to face with a few trusted types
Set the meeting up at one pub, tell those that matter where it really is

[drummer]

Ian... ever got the feeling mate that people are just ignoring your posts... I can't see the content.. long ago I put you on ignore for the simple fact that you had nothing constructive to say. You pulled down and made enemies of people that are fighting for a common cause. I am very serious about what I have to say to you. IF you attend the meeting behave. I believe this is going to be a very good meeting with some good questions asked and a lawful protest happening... of course some people are fired up to interject all the time but I hope that won't happen too much because they will just close the meeting down and people who have travelled miles to see him will go away thinking bikers should have their bikes taxed even more. The other thing Ian, is that believe it or not there will be police there... and ministerial security service. They will NOT take kindly to any violence from you. I do not want to meet you at this or any other ACC meeting or event. We can save the intro's to later. Please do not cause trouble. This is as I have said a serious and rare event. We ALL get our chance to meet and question the minister for ACC... I want that meeting to have an outcome where he will be shown up to be entirely wrong about bikes and bikers... and that his thinking may be swayed a little by our activities. All we need is for you or anyone else for that matter to be out of control. If you really want to come, do so for the RIGHT reasons... not to show the rest of us how you evidently hate all people who vote National and want to abuse or threaten them.

Ian... consider this a honest attempt at asking you to show some commonsense... and perhaps a truce in this pathetic war you seemingly want to wage against me and many others. If you are prepared to do this then come, but if not.. stay away for the good of ALL motorcyclists..

I trust that many others feel the same way.

Peter

[Ozzie]

at all times at any protest, we 'bikers' must come across as a determined and factual group with a clear purpose in mind.

common stategy people....numbers of people (us), facts and figures, intelligent means of pushing the message hard rather than arriving as a bunch of loud 'yobbos' talking personal perceptions...will hopefully change the course of this proposal.

But is the questioning going to be over levies or climate impact of motorcycles?

What's wrong with both?

[scissorhands]

A 'War Room' of Auckland KB stalwarts ONLY would be fine with me.

Meeting weekly or bi weekly whatever, a group of trusted long time friends, leaving marginal newbies like myself OUT. However, still fishing for good ideas from the great unwashed.

So much energy is wasted here, too many cooks in the kitchen squabbling over left/right, bla bla bla, wank wank wank, too much reading, instead of keeping it lean and mean. Thats my feeling

[retro asian]

I say... test the water with quiet/polite at first...if it's getting nowhere....plan B!!!

e.g. (for those who weren't in Welly)

Everyone agreeing to be quiet...allowing Nick Smith to address parliament grounds.
Nick Smith starting his speech with "I was surprised as you were...".
A spontaneous united chant of "Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!".

Farkin' Priceless.

[drummer]

I say... test the water with quiet/polite at first...if it's getting nowhere....plan B!!!

e.g. (for those who weren't in Welly)

Everyone agreeing to be quiet...allowing Nick Smith to address parliament grounds.
Nick Smith starting his speech with "I was surprised as you were...".
A spontaneous united chant of "Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!".

Farkin' Priceless.

Good strategy... not sure about bash though LOL

See you there

Peter

[rob 0]

the irony

of a protest called up by nick at bastion point

beware , The Man will be there

so don't get too out of shape

could i sugest you don't leave your helmet on the bike ???

[short-circuit]

Ian... ever got the feeling mate that people are just ignoring your posts... I can't see the content.. long ago I put you on ignore for the simple fact that you had nothing constructive to say. You pulled down and made enemies of people that are fighting for a common cause. I am very serious about what I have to say to you. IF you attend the meeting behave. I believe this is going to be a very good meeting with some good questions asked and a lawful protest happening... of course some people are fired up to interject all the time but I hope that won't happen too much because they will just close the meeting down and people who have travelled miles to see him will go away thinking bikers should have their bikes taxed even more. The other thing Ian, is that believe it or not there will be police there... and ministerial security service. They will NOT take kindly to any violence from you. I do not want to meet you at this or any other ACC meeting or event. We can save the intro's to later. Please do not cause trouble. This is as I have said a serious and rare event. We ALL get our chance to meet and question the minister for ACC... I want that meeting to have an outcome where he will be shown up to be entirely wrong about bikes and bikers... and that his thinking may be swayed a little by our activities. All we need is for you or anyone else for that matter to be out of control. If you really want to come, do so for the RIGHT reasons... not to show the rest of us how you evidently hate all people who vote National and want to abuse or threaten them.

Ian... consider this a honest attempt at asking you to show some commonsense... and perhaps a truce in this pathetic war you seemingly want to wage against me and many others. If you are prepared to do this then come, but if not.. stay away for the good of ALL motorcyclists..

I trust that many others feel the same way.

Peter

Peter....Patronise me....Peter....Patsy of the National Party....Peter...Pulling off again....Peter....Pinocchio....Peter...Political agenda alert

Peter....Pretend Biker.....Peter....supports privatisation

[pete376403]

Keep the conversations face to face, no electronic comms, and talk only to people you know and trust. Well it works for Bin Laden - if all the resources of the US military and the CIA can't find him, if you use the same techniques chances are Nick won't be able to find out what you're up to. Until it's too late.

[paddy]

It's a pain really. Rather not do it, makes it difficult to get everyone n the loop.

But the alternative is sending him full details of what we are going to do days in advance. Which gives his spin doctors loads of time to program him with suitable answers.

We need to keep some element of surprise, keep him guessing a bit.

And I can't think of any online way to discuss things that can't be snooped.

Ixion, just a couple of quick thoughts:

I think it's safe to release the details of a protest in terms of "Nick will be here", "we are looking for a turnout >100 bikers", etc. I think what you are probably trying to keep secret is the content of your questions so that Mr Smith cannot develop pre-tested answers. That is to say you would like to keep him of guard. The reality is that if 100 bikers turn up, very few will likely get to speak. To me, that means that very few need to know the specifics of the questions that will be asked. The rest of us just need to know the date/time and the general feel of the questions (so we know that we agree with you approach). In that respect those things would seem to me to be quite safe to be made public.

P.