Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

[Pixie]

I am somewhat more inclined to see an olive branch.

The email strikes a very different note to when I spoke to him on Monday night. Perhaps, we might cogitate on why that might be?

I will reserve judgement. The political world is seldom straight forward , or transparent.

Of course, we are not going to get what we want. Surely no-one expected that so soon. And what the final levy is set at is not going to make us happy. Surely everyone expected that?

But , remember, we have set this as a campaign of years, not weeks.

Our battle plan for the immediate present must be to stem the enemies advance. This is our Marne (but with bikes instead of taxis) .

I am happy with that email, not so much because of what it says, but because of what it implies.

An olive branch because he realises we are not going away and it may get worse,perhaps?

[short-circuit]

Sorry Drummer, was thinking more along the lines of blocking traffic and bringing Auckland to a stop.
Don't think a polite/or even impolite letter to the Nats will make a blind bit of difference at the moment, Nick showed us that with his "I don't care, it's not my fault" speech on Monday.

I've been saying this since October.

[Ixion]

An olive branch because he realises we are not going away and it may get worse,perhaps?

Or someone else does.

[drummer]

Or someone else does.

Maybe John Key is starting to lose faith with Smith.. I can't see such an embattled minister keeping his job really.. and Les... i don't see that letter as anything but political claptrap mate

Peter

[drummer]

Sorry Drummer, was thinking more along the lines of blocking traffic and bringing Auckland to a stop.
Don't think a polite/or even impolite letter to the Nats will make a blind bit of difference at the moment, Nick showed us that with his "I don't care, it's not my fault" speech on Monday.
My opinion,
we think he has blinked with the letter to Les, king hit now, and see which way he falls. As I said, I don't believe we have anything to lose at this point.
Lets also be aware that we might just be pushing support ACTs way...Now that would be a nightmare of unimaginable horror.

Ok.. first.. yes your ideas are valid and good but secondly politics and the attacking process on small non fulltime party branches are actually really powerful.. some like the MC's own branch are ripe for the picking... in fact I know some don't agree with this but here's an idea... If we can infultrate the Nats we could destroy branches and therefore support for them from the inside out... its a thought but I know I've been accused of trying to recruit.. however... spying and infultration is valid... Personally I would rather see Key than Labour but I want Smith gone and the Nats to rethink their policies on many things none the least ACC.. they ill be government for a while... thats probably a fact.. if we ignore that we are in my opinion missing an opportunity... Shorty.. you support and join Labour or whoever... fight the policies from their angle... but whatever we do... its good to be close to the action and change the guard... that would really shake them up trust me!

Peter

[BMWST?]

For that to stick, we would need consistently huge turnouts so they can properly appreciate how many votes they will jeopardise. a turn out of 20 or 50 voters won't cut the mustard

it will if they see 20 to 50 VOTERS evrytime they go somewhere...anywhere

[flyingcrocodile46]

it will if they see 20 to 50 VOTERS evrytime they go somewhere...anywhere

Yes! you are both right. It would have been more accurate to have said that it would work a hell of a lot better and faster with more numbers

[BMWST?]

Yes! you are both right. It would have been more accurate to have said that it would work a hell of a lot better and faster with more numbers

true...on the way to the meeting i passed many bikes going the other way...how do we reach them?

[flyingcrocodile46]

true...on the way to the meeting i passed many bikes going the other way...how do we reach them?

That is exactly what Max said yesterday

I dunno. Some people are only interested in themselves and the here & now.

Guy I work with has a BMW Rockster that he rides about once a month, but fancies himself as a biker He can barely find enough interest to talk about it. Tried to get him along to Mission Bay.

Anyway, it isn't just us bikers that stand to get shafted. It's everyone. Apathetic drones abound.

[idleidolidyll]

Ok.. first.. yes your ideas are valid and good but secondly politics and the attacking process on small non fulltime party branches are actually really powerful.. some like the MC's own branch are ripe for the picking... in fact I know some don't agree with this but here's an idea... If we can infultrate the Nats we could destroy branches and therefore support for them from the inside out... its a thought but I know I've been accused of trying to recruit.. however... spying and infultration is valid... Personally I would rather see Key than Labour but I want Smith gone and the Nats to rethink their policies on many things none the least ACC.. they ill be government for a while... thats probably a fact.. if we ignore that we are in my opinion missing an opportunity... Shorty.. you support and join Labour or whoever... fight the policies from their angle... but whatever we do... its good to be close to the action and change the guard... that would really shake them up trust me!

Peter

yes, and joining the AA to take over the comittee there would also mean motorcyclists get a fair voice instead of the bullshit we currently hear from that org

How many members here are also AA members?

I am, that's 1

[flyingcrocodile46]

yes, and joining the AA to take over the comittee there would also mean motorcyclists get a fair voice instead of the bullshit we currently hear from that org

How many members here are also AA members?

I am, that's 1

Lol. Everyone seems to be quitting their memberships at the moment, though your idea has a lot of merit. Can it be done though? Are they structured for membership governance or do they have a toothless committee?

[MSTRS:Me]

yes, and joining the AA to take over the comittee there would also mean motorcyclists get a fair voice instead of the bullshit we currently hear from that org

How many members here are also AA members?

I am, that's 1

Quite a few signed up, for that very reason. The upshot was that it was more effective to then resign, and tell them why.
Much more powerful than a couple of voices that may or may not get to speak at an AGM.

[idleidolidyll]

Lol. Everyone seems to be quitting their memberships at the moment, though your idea has a lot of merit. Can it be done though? Are they structured for membership governance or do they have a toothless committee?

i'm not sure but as i said some time ago, it worked in the past (well the threat worked)

back in the early 90's, the Chch Car Club who had been appointed principal hirers of Ruapuna by the owner, Chch City Council, had decided that they would massively increase the track fees for motorcyclists (mainly BEARs).

The BEARs, who are VERY strong down that way had a meeting in which we decided to pay for Chch Car Club membership from our apr $30,000 bank account and then attend the next comittee meeting en masse to vote no confidence and elect all our own guys in.

The word got out before we had to do anything and the car club backed right the fuck down

All bikers already members should send mail to the AA protesting the anti bike rhetoric and advise that they will all vote against any leader who uters such bullshit.

The next step may be similar to the above if their 'democracy' allows it

[flyingcrocodile46]

i'm not sure but as i said some time ago, it worked in the past (well the threat worked)

back in the early 90's, the Chch Car Club who had been appointed principal hirers of Ruapuna by the owner, Chch City Council, had decided that they would massively increase the track fees for motorcyclists (mainly BEARs).

The BEARs, who are VERY strong down that way had a meeting in which we decided to pay for Chch Car Club membership from our apr $30,000 bank account and then attend the next comittee meeting en masse to vote no confidence and elect all our own guys in.

The word got out before we had to do anything and the car club backed right the fuck down

All bikers already members should send mail to the AA protesting the anti bike rhetoric and advise that they will all vote against any leader who uters such bullshit.

The next step may be similar to the above if their 'democracy' allows it

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Just written to them and given them 1 week to change their stance and support us otherwise that will be 4 cars, two motorbikes and a campervan they loose.