Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

[caseye]

Enough of us do this they'll begin to get the message , loud and clear, we're losing Long time members whose motorcycles we've insured who are taking thier business elsewhere! WHY?

[drummer]

yes, and joining the AA to take over the comittee there would also mean motorcyclists get a fair voice instead of the bullshit we currently hear from that org How many members here are also AA members? I am, that's 1

Dam fine idea... the AA has been a little quiet on the ACC front... OK.. I also wonder if the AA could have a M/C sub branch... Plus the Vintage car Club of NZ.. my Dad was a very early member... they have a very large M/C membership... whats their stance...? BTW.. saw the MC come branch prezzie today... non talker to me... really pissed off about Monday night... and I mean REALLY! I also asked another Nat about the lady behind the rape crisis girls who told them to basically F off.. he was pissied off about it and was at the meeting.. e may be able to find out who she as if anyone's interested

Peter

[NONONO]

Ok.. first.. yes your ideas are valid and good but secondly politics and the attacking process on small non fulltime party branches are actually really powerful.. some like the MC's own branch are ripe for the picking... in fact I know some don't agree with this but here's an idea... If we can infultrate the Nats we could destroy branches and therefore support for them from the inside out... its a thought but I know I've been accused of trying to recruit.. however... spying and infultration is valid... Personally I would rather see Key than Labour but I want Smith gone and the Nats to rethink their policies on many things none the least ACC.. they ill be government for a while... thats probably a fact.. if we ignore that we are in my opinion missing an opportunity... Shorty.. you support and join Labour or whoever... fight the policies from their angle... but whatever we do... its good to be close to the action and change the guard... that would really shake them up trust me!

Peter

Now I warned you bout this, did I not?
Will have to have a word with Paste and Zildjun and get you struck off.
I would rather boil in my own piss than join the Nats...and you know this.
You did a decent job proposing the meeting last Monday,,,grudgingly well done.
But what a bunch of low life fuck wits. If that's the caliber of National, how the fuck did they win the last election?
Lets keep on keeping on, let's not forget who the enemy is, ACC and the National Party.

[Ixion]

yes, and joining the AA to take over the comittee there would also mean motorcyclists get a fair voice instead of the bullshit we currently hear from that org

How many members here are also AA members?

I am, that's 1

I am for this very purpose . That's two . AA don't care if we resign , we're maybe 2% of their membership. But if only1% of their membership vote at AGM, 2% could take over the organisationb

[drummer]

Now I warned you bout this, did I not?
Will have to have a word with Paste and Zildjun and get you struck off.
Don't want me to go all crazy on the Nats do you?
I would rather boil in my own piss than join the Nats...and you know this.
You did a decent job proposing the meeting last Monday,,,grudgingly well done.
But what a bunch of low life fuck wits. If that's the caliber of National, how the fuck did they win the last election?
Lets keep on keeping on, let's not forget who the enemy is, ACC and the National Party.

LOL the Zildjun's for me! They wouldn't cast me off.. been using them for 32 years!

My enemy if you do want to use that word isn't actually the Nats as a whole party.. its Nick Smith directly because he is a liar and hes playing us like fools... we need to make Key fire him and convince the Nats that our vote counts .. people within a party one may otherwise support can be your so-called enemy.. in fact the worst enemy is the one in your own party who doesn't agree with you... For the record I would rather see Key than Goofy but the Nats need to totally change their attitude... they at the moment are unfit to govern in several areas..

My other "enemy" is John Judge... now hes a real dodo... and should be made extinct! Trying to convince us thru Smith that we must pay for future accidents is beyond belief.

Thanks for the complement.. I think.. Unfortunately for the Nats... yes.. the quality of leadership at electorate and branch level is diabolical.. especially around the eastern bays/Tamaki electorates.. some nice people... even well intentioned but politically very wimpy and totally controlled by the party.... yes sir no sir a thousand bags full sir.. only really interested in organising cocktail parties and generally wimpy public meetings between elections..... thats why we get an idiot like Smith being preselected.... and ending up as a minister.. the people on the ground are political robots. Plus they take things very personally which shows total political weakness.

Boil in your own piss? dread the thought..

Peter

[NONONO]

Thanks for the complement.. I think.(Drummer)

Was a compliment, however grudging.
You did a decent job, was probably the most defining moment so far. We got to see Nick-louse as he is, a deceiving, self serving liar, amongst other self serving self deceiving liars.
For me, it was more important than Welly.
I could almost smell the insurance premiums on his breath....

[drummer]

Thanks for the complement.. I think.(Drummer)

Was a compliment, however grudging.
You did a decent job, was probably the most defining moment so far. We got to see Nick-louse as he is, a deceiving, self serving liar, amongst other self serving self deceiving liars.
For me, it was more important than Welly.
I could almost smell the insurance premiums on his breath....

Thanks!

Just came across this website http://www.nationalmps.co.nz/Nationa...7/Default.aspx Also other MP's as well..

Could be useful

Peter

[drummer]

Young Nats... important that they hear us... seems like the chief tit is

M Oldershaw, 276a Fergusson Dr, Heretaunga, Upper Hutt Maybe a phone call anyone? An arranged meeting... legal of course..

Peter

[Pixie]

Young Nats... important that they hear us... seems like the chief tit is

M Oldershaw, 276a Fergusson Dr, Heretaunga, Upper Hutt Maybe a phone call anyone? An arranged meeting... legal of course..

Peter

Good idea.Attack the bright young things.Probably still think their party stands for personal freedom.

[Subike]

Our idea is to show dicky up as having told porkies right?
Now it has been a month? 30 days? since this whole thing started.
We have seen thousands of bikers fronting up and getting involved.
So far there has been how many arrests ??? 0
there have been how many injury accidents on the rides?? 1 that I know of.
How many complaints to the police for bad behaviour?
Is it possibile for some one to put togeather the data of...
how many rides there have been,
how many bikes have been on these rides,
how many miles have been traveled from the gathering points to the protest point.
Then ask the traffic enforcement for their stats re motor cycle incidents for the last month and compared this to the same month last year, if thats possibile. Include traffic offences if possibile
What we then could have are documented statistics ( media coverage)
Our own data base of facts on biker behaviour.
I think there will be shown a huge difference between the two time periods
Would it not be a huge tool, if the accident rates for the month was down? Injurys at an all time low, and the so called "1 in 19" accident rate not visiable at all.
Where is this going to put the claimed figures by the acc and dicky smutt?
As I posted in another thread, the rate of incident claimed by the acc, that one in 19 registered bikes have a claim each year equates to 13.8 injury incidents PER DAY.
So in the past month that we have been protesting it means that there should have been 414 injury claims by road riding bikers during this time.
so we have X amount of bikes traveling Y amount of miles causing
Z anmount of injurys in 30 days.
I think it would be a worth while exersize for someone to a report on this for us, some one who knows where to get the stats, put them togeather with figures from our combined protest rides for the past 30 days, and see how they compare with what the acc stats state, should have happened in that same time zone from their own figures.

[MSTRS:Me]

Somebody worked out that Bikeoi 1 totalled about 1.75 million kilometres.

[flyingcrocodile46]

1,750,000 km's divided by say 10,000km per year (very high estimate of the average km's traveled by a motorcycle in a year) = 87.5.

That is one accident claim per 87.5 motorcycles per year.

Take it a step further. If the average claim cost is $20,000 and you divide it by 87.5 motorcycles each motorcyclist would have to pay $228 per year to cover the cost.

The problem is that they want an extra $270-ish to cover future costs related to that claim (87.5 X $270 = $23,685).

It actually stacks up pretty well with their figures. There might not be any mileage in the mileage argument for us unless we can demonstrate that the average claim cost is well under their claimed $20,000-ish or that the average registered motorcycle does way less than 10,000km per year (that may well be so)??

[Hanne]

I am for this very purpose . That's two . AA don't care if we resign , we're maybe 2% of their membership. But if only1% of their membership vote at AGM, 2% could take over the organisationb

The lady i spoke to told me they don't even HAVE an AGM. That can't be true though, can it?

[Ixion]

AGM is required by law.

[MSTRS:Me]

It actually stacks up pretty well with their figures.

We don't give a fuck whether it does. Or not.
We've made it clear.
Parity with cars.
We don't have it now, but we are not prepared for the gap to be widened.