Nah - I'm still pissed off

**short-circuit** · 17th November 2009, 20:58

Originally Posted by Trudes

Ok, firstly I agree with your post Paul.
BUT just something for us all to remember, National as a political party generally sways to the Right of the political spectrum, this generally means free markets, individualisim, user pays etc. We voted them in, what did we expect? (I personally did not, I hate both National and Labour). I remember not long before the last election the amount of moaning on this site and in NZ in general about how Labour was fucking up the country and that we should all vote National, well, we got what we wanted.
Maybe this is why in the last decade or so we keep getting a bunch of Labour and Labour led Governments then after a few years we get sick of the nanny state comforts and vote National back in "to tidy the shit up" which they never manage to do in the one term we keep them in before we all go "it's not fair, why should I have to pay for blah blah" and then vote Labour back in to give us back all our benefits.

...........ah yes

**short-circuit** · 17th November 2009, 20:59

Originally Posted by Goblin

But it's the National way...always was...and always will be.

..........yes

**short-circuit** · 17th November 2009, 21:00

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

I think the rot had started setting in well before these turkeys got their latest turn at the helm.

..........go to the back of the class

**Naki Rat** · 17th November 2009, 21:14

Originally Posted by short-circuit

..........go to the back of the class

You're obviously not familiar with Ian Wishart's "Absolute Power"

**short-circuit** · 17th November 2009, 21:20

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

You're obviously not familiar with Ian Wishart's "Absolute Power"

I'm familiar with Ian Wishart - familiar enough not waste a second of my life reading his propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wishart Freak

**StoneY** · 17th November 2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by Trudes

Maybe this is why in the last decade or so we keep getting a bunch of Labour and Labour led Governments then after a few years we get sick of the nanny state comforts and vote National back in "to tidy the shit up" which they never manage to do in the one term we keep them in before we all go "it's not fair, why should I have to pay for blah blah" and then vote Labour back in to give us back all our benefits.

Now we really get to the underlying cause of our woes

Nanny state, or Litigate...the choice is yours, after all it IS a democracy

**riffer** · 17th November 2009, 21:49

Originally Posted by StoneY

Now we really get to the underlying cause of our woes

Nanny state, or Litigate...the choice is yours, after all it IS a democracy

Sheesh. Not much of a choice is it?

**StoneY** · 17th November 2009, 21:52

Originally Posted by riffer

Sheesh. Not much of a choice is it?

As I said...domcracy

Only other options:
Communism, Socialism, or Th KB way

Vote for Les

**Trudes** · 18th November 2009, 04:33

One of the Reasons why I think MMP is not a bad thing, depending on the mix in Parliament the left or right can be softened some, conflicting views to the extreme have to be taken into account depending on what the mix of coalition partnership is and supply and confidence agreements made.
Maybe if the huge majority of NZers stopped voting like sheep we wouldn't have either of these two parties pushing their agendas "for us, the voters". If more voters took the time to find out a bit about what they were actually voting for I wonder how many would think twice and choose a smaller party who better reflects their views than what party their parents always voted or what their mate at work said would be good. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa

**Dodgyiti** · 18th November 2009, 06:36

I'll tell you when the rot fully set in: Employment Contracts Act

Took the balls away from the unions, made workers greed outstrip their loyalty to their workmates and Kiwi's have been bending over and taking whatever the government wants to dish out ever since.

Another National gem.

**ckai** · 18th November 2009, 07:01

Originally Posted by Trudes

One of the Reasons why I think MMP is not a bad thing, depending on the mix in Parliament the left or right can be softened some, conflicting views to the extreme have to be taken into account depending on what the mix of coalition partnership is and supply and confidence agreements made.
Maybe if the huge majority of NZers stopped voting like sheep we wouldn't have either of these two parties pushing their agendas "for us, the voters". If more voters took the time to find out a bit about what they were actually voting for I wonder how many would think twice and choose a smaller party who better reflects their views than what party their parents always voted or what their mate at work said would be good. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa

oooo....ooo....oooo.....niiiice

I got rubished by someone elses parents for voting for a minor, when I did vote. I knew an old lady (she's kill me if she heard that) who would vote for Winston, not because she was old, not because she liked a lot of his policies, but because she knew he would shit stir in parliament and keep everyone in line. Pity it didn't really keep him in line.

When someone offers something to me that makes sense I'll vote for them. Until then, I don't complain about gov't antics because I have no right too.

But Paul...top marks mate. That is exactly the line that common NZer's want to hear and will warm to us even more.

On a side note about this. Environment Waikato pays for the tidying of Lake Taupo so all you people can enjoy it's freezing temperatures. A few people complain that they never see Lake Taupo and never intend to visit so why should they pay.

"Because," says EW, "if we charged just the users, they would have a bill for $1000's and never use it because it's want be worth it. But if we spread the cost over everyone, only a tiny amount is paid so more people can enjoy it."

This means everyone pays under $10 which is not much. I hate Taupo, but I'm sweet with paying because spreading it on the masses is the only way it is financially feasible.

EW also finishes by saying "since you're paying anyway, you might as well start enjoying it"

I've always like this.

**Ixion** · 18th November 2009, 07:56

Originally Posted by ckai

oooo....ooo....oooo.....niiiice

I got rubished by someone elses parents for voting for a minor, when I did vote. I knew an old lady (she's kill me if she heard that) who would vote for Winston, not because she was old, not because she liked a lot of his policies, but because she knew he would shit stir in parliament and keep everyone in line. Pity it didn't really keep him in line.

When someone offers something to me that makes sense I'll vote for them. Until then, I don't complain about gov't antics because I have no right too.

But Paul...top marks mate. That is exactly the line that common NZer's want to hear and will warm to us even more.

On a side note about this. Environment Waikato pays for the tidying of Lake Taupo so all you people can enjoy it's freezing temperatures. A few people complain that they never see Lake Taupo and never intend to visit so why should they pay.

"Because," says EW, "if we charged just the users, they would have a bill for $1000's and never use it because it's want be worth it. But if we spread the cost over everyone, only a tiny amount is paid so more people can enjoy it."

This means everyone pays under $10 which is not much. I hate Taupo, but I'm sweet with paying because spreading it on the masses is the only way it is financially feasible.

EW also finishes by saying "since you're paying anyway, you might as well start enjoying it"

I've always like this.

That's a very good approach. I shall use that. Of someone bleats about "I'm subsiding you", reply "Well, if you think that, what you should do is get a motorbike too, and enjoy both the riding and the subsidy"

**Naki Rat** · 18th November 2009, 08:12

Originally Posted by short-circuit

I'm familiar with Ian Wishart - familiar enough not waste a second of my life reading his propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wishart Freak

Brief bio on him, albeit biased, but the proof is that Wishart has yet to be legally challenged on any of the content of his recent books (Eves Bite, Absolute Power, Air Con) and to me that indicates his sources aand claims are accurate and above reproach. While I definitely don't agree with all his views I respect him for being one of the very few investigative journalists that exist in New Zealand in these dumbed down times.
Witness all the dim and lazy media drones regurgitating the same bullshit that ACC & National have presented us with on the issue in question

**short-circuit** · 18th November 2009, 08:16

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

While I definitely don't agree with all his views I respect him for being one of the very few investigative journalists that exist in New Zealand in these dumbed down times.

More of a Nicky Hager man myself.

I can't see what the word "respect" has to do with a "Christian" fascist like Ian Wishart