Save Our ACC

[Ixion]

Rape and child molestation victims get a pay-out? Why? ACC was designed to deal with the cost of genuine accidents.

Not entirely.

partt of the deal with ACC was that people lost the right to sue for personal injury (it was /is called a tort).

Prior to ACC if someone knocked me off my bike, I could sue them for my injuries, pain etc. If someone bashed you on the head you could sue them for your injuries, pain etc. Likewise, the rape victim could sue her attacker for pain suffering, mental anguish etc.

ACC abolished that right for everybody. It would be grossly unfair if I lost the right to sue the bugger that knocked me off my bike, without gaining a right to compensation. And it would be equally unfair if the rape victim lost the right to sue without being entitled to compensation.

[dpex]

[QUOTE=NighthawkNZ;1129522218]Recombine all the accounts. Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE

Put ACC levy on GST to compensate there solved... its on petrol, booze every thing you buy and sell, covers yah paper cuts, it covers your tourists and covers cyclists and bikers as you are paying it on every thing you buy for you bike. It covers those that are working, even kids when will be paying ACC out of there pocket money (all business have to is up GST) the IRD goons do the rest.

Personally, I think your suggestion provides the fairest solution available because, as you rightly point out, everybody who ever buys anything ends up paying an amount toward ACC. And given the relative reduction in direct personal cost folk would have more money to spend and thus pay even more GST/ACC

I gather our Gross Annual Turn-over is something to the order of $700 billion. It follows a 2.5% increase in GST, to 15%, would then raise around $35 billion.

I think I might shoot a note of to various pollies on that one.

[caseye]

[QUOTE=dpex;1129523343]

Recombine all the accounts. Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE

Put ACC levy on GST to compensate there solved... its on petrol, booze every thing you buy and sell, covers yah paper cuts, it covers your tourists and covers cyclists and bikers as you are paying it on every thing you buy for you bike. It covers those that are working, even kids when will be paying ACC out of there pocket money (all business have to is up GST) the IRD goons do the rest.

Personally, I think your suggestion provides the fairest solution available because, as you rightly point out, everybody who ever buys anything ends up paying an amount toward ACC. And given the relative reduction in direct personal cost folk would have more money to spend and thus pay even more GST/ACC

I gather our Gross Annual Turn-over is something to the order of $700 billion. It follows a 2.5% increase in GST, to 15%, would then raise around $35 billion.

I think I might shoot a note of to various pollies on that one.

Do It! and I will too, makes perfect snese and cost no one any more than ACC does now, in fact considerably less.

[Winston001]

I gather our Gross Annual Turn-over is something to the order of $700 billion. It follows a 2.5% increase in GST, to 15%, would then raise around $35 billion.

I think I might shoot a note of to various pollies on that one.

New Zealand's Gross Domestic Expenditure (both public and private) is $178 billion.

Maybe adding 2.5% to GST for ACC is a good solution. The more ideas the better.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

New Zealand's Gross Domestic Expenditure (both public and private) is $178 billion.

Maybe adding 2.5% to GST for ACC is a good solution. The more ideas the better.

at the end of the day ACC only need to generate 5 billion a year at present, to cover all claims, and operating as well as banking for the fully funded model

[Clockwork]

[QUOTE=dpex;1129523343]

... I gather our Gross Annual Turn-over is something to the order of $700 billion. It follows a 2.5% increase in GST, to 15%, would then raise around $35 billion.

I think I might shoot a note of to various pollies on that one.

A change of GST rate from 12.5 % to 15% is more like a 20% increase not 2.5%.

and... is the $700 billion figure the GST turnover or what the Government actually collects?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

[QUOTE=Clockwork;1129524390]

A change of GST rate from 12.5 % to 15% is more like a 20% increase not 2.5%.

and... is the $700 billion figure the GST turnover or what the Government actually collects?

you need to fix the quotes cause I never said that... ACC only need 5 billion a year any way to operate and save for the fully funded model

[sinfull]

There are a number of things could be changed (don't agree with the rape/abuse compensation comment David)
But things like the physios and chyros getting their mits on Acc coin without supervision is a joke ! A mate of mine recently got a letter from acc, telling him he had used up his 30 visits to the physio and thought WTF, as he'd only been once to get his back clicked in !! I mean talk about milk it trev !

[StoneY]

Hey Sinny, were you there bro???

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