Bikers blocking shopping centre.

[Gubb]

You're doing more harm than good dpex. You certainly don't represent me, and I resent the implication that you do.

I'd still put my money on Katman.

[davereid]

1. Any biker, and in any number, is/are perfectly entitled to inhabit a carpark in any mall, for no more than the allotted 2 hours.

Its private property, you dont have any right to be there, and the manager can change the rules at smoko time if he wishes.

If it were my Mall, I'd just make a small motorcycle park to cover "real" customers, and instant tow away for bikes in car parks.

Target the enemy, not joe public, trying to spend a few bob at his favorite shop.

[george formby]

I'm starting to wonder why we're calling "them" the public... why are "they" not considered brethren... after all we are all in this together and i believe that's the message we need to be getting across... we're campaigning for the benefit of the country, not just because we're bikers, they just picked on the wrong group to marginalise!

Bingo! We are the public & should avoid marginalising ourselves by being disruptive & emphasise that we are the thin end of the wedge when it comes to future ACC changes. The whole nation is on the point of paying more for less service from ACC & the health care system. People first not $$$$$$$$$. Ggrrrr.
I like the mall idea but on an involving rather than challenging level to get this message across.
If their is a leaflet / handout under consideration which demonstrates this, I would be happy to print my own copies & get them out & about up here.

[jafar]

It would have been a smarter idea to do the deed & let the media in on it rather than have it on the front page of the harold...... now every fucking Westfield will have their security on full alert & be waiting for us to show.
Riders may well feel the hairy hand of the Westfailed security staff on them & be told it is a biker free day & to piss off...... If your going into a fight it is best not to telegraph you punch

[Ixion]

It would have been a smarter idea to do the deed & let the media in on it rather than have it on the front page of the harold...... now every fucking Westfield will have their security on full alert & be waiting for us to show.
Riders may well feel the hairy hand of the Westfailed security staff on them & be told it is a biker free day & to piss off...... If your going into a fight it is best not to telegraph you punch

I disagree. An excellent result I'd have thought.

We got front page publicity in the Harold and on radio. Lots of thems will be thinking "shit these guys are really pissed off". Which is good.

And if they roll up to do their shopping and it's all serene, they'll be happy

We've pushed our message , made people think, and inconvenienced noone . Win win win

You don't always have to actually HOLD the protest for it to be successful.

[jafar]

I disagree. An excellent result I'd have thought.

We got front page publicity in the Harold and on radio. Lots of thems will be thinking "shit these guys are really pissed off". Which is good.

And if they roll up to do their shopping and it's all serene, they'll be happy

We've pushed our message , made people think, and inconvenienced noone . Win win win

You don't always have to actually HOLD the protest for it to be successful.

We will have to agree to disagree on that.

[Ixion]

Meanwhile, over at (non Westfield) Sylvia Park -------

[dpex]

You're doing more harm than good dpex. You certainly don't represent me, and I resent the implication that you do.

I'd still put my money on Katman.

I'm not representing anyone. Gubb. They phoned. They asked. I replied with what little I have been allowed to know.

But what are you doing, as regards fighting this iniquitous tax, personally, Gubb?

For the record, I'm out there joining every protest ride. I spend my own money planting info fliers on parked cars. I have written well over 20 submissions to a collective of the Gov and ACC.

I'm prepared to spend my own money to fund a 'Balloon With A Message" campaign, to be handed out to all and sundry at Malls and anywhere else a protest arises.

So what are you doing? I hope it is a lot. I fear it is little.

[jafar]

Meanwhile, over at (non Westfield) Sylvia Park -------

Hopefully someone is handing out fliers to the great unwashed & involving them in discussion about the ACC levies & how we are the thin end of the wedge !!
& that next year it may well be there child that can't play rugby because they can't afford to pay the yearly subs & the ACC contribution that Nicks minions have put in place.

[PhantasmNZ]

So what are you doing? I hope it is a lot. I fear it is little.

In his defence here -he was one of the relatively unseen few who freely gave up his time actually participating in making the Wellington Bikeoi the success it was be coordinating the masses to be in the right place at the right time, and discouraging those who might have caused issues (by parking illegally etc) away. So yes, actually Gubb is doing a lot.

As for the mall protest - I think - as Ixion said - the publicity - without the action - has actually had some effect. I think mass disruption is not without merit - but a little premature.

So far we have public support, and it's needed. As far as Joe Public is concerned - we actually had a WIN on Tuesday. Our job is to keep this in the public eye and milk the support we had down in Wellington. I don't think silent protests will win the day - but I'm not sure occupying a private car park will help either. I personally know the manager of a Wesfield (no I won't tell which one) - and it's a ****real**** easy decision to get people trespassed from the mall. I doubt it would happen to everyone there - but imagine the negative publicity when the fabled organiser (and the odd footsoldier) got escorted from the mall with a trespass notice.

Your assertions about anybody can park there for two hours may be largely right - but the truth is it's private property, and the representatives of the property owners can also trespass anybody they feel - and an intention to cause public disprution is a great way to do it.

in many ways the Mission Bay protest is similar - however - this is on public (ie council or public roads) property - and I am personally strongly suggesting keeping areas deliberately open for cars... the biggest difference is that parking in mission bay is likely to be for non-essential reasons only. If I was prevented from parking at the shops where I was on my way to buy medicine from the pharmacy, or baby food from the supermarket - then stopping me parking is simply dead wrong.

I understand your opinions, and I think there is deifinitely a place for this kind of action - but at the minute no decisions have been made and (my opinion only) you risk undoing much of the good that was the Bikeoi.

Let's keep it to public areas -we can make just as big a show there. In the end these protests ARE NOT about who we affect in the immediate area - who gives a toss about who physically sees us. this is a MEDIA battle - and is about raising profile to the MASSES. As I see it good press and LOTS OF IT (ie continued action) is the only real way to go.

...end of the day - my opinion only ... everyone here is entitled to think, feel, say and act as they think is appropriate....

[mashman]

I've re read my post and thats what I was saying. Better for all of us to be united in one spot than divided all over the city, or where you agreeing, not sure???

BTW: If I don't have to drive all the way to Wgtn to see my sick uncle I'll be at mission Bay!!

Edit: just got your bling Sorry for the confusion DUH moment by me!! bling returned!

You have absolutely nothing to apologise for mate, the internerd can twist things in all sorts of directions, we meant the same thing, coulda been me reading it incorrectly!

Oh BTW, go see your Uncle man (unless of course you really really don't wanna )

[Rudra]

I disagree. An excellent result I'd have thought.

We got front page publicity in the Harold and on radio. Lots of thems will be thinking "shit these guys are really pissed off". Which is good.

And if they roll up to do their shopping and it's all serene, they'll be happy

We've pushed our message , made people think, and inconvenienced noone . Win win win

You don't always have to actually HOLD the protest for it to be successful.

A bomb threat can work as well as a bomb, for publicity purposes.

[Mr Merde]

From " THE ART OF WAR"

By Sun Tzu

"The formation and procedure used by the military should noit be divulged beforehand"

"Make your move when they are unprepared, make your move when they do not expect it"

2000 year old advice.

So apt to the struggle we find ourselves in today.

[Ixion]

If you cannot stop the enemy finding out your intentions, then give him lots of intentions to find out.

Master Ixion . No need for these young chinese punks.

[allycatz]

Interesting views on this on Trade Me message boards...http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...1420753.....ps. the allycatz in the thread is NOT me lol!