Westfield Mall protest support

**PhantasmNZ** · 26th November 2009, 12:28

I'm interested to find out the split of KB'ers who support protesting malls. My veiws are clear in other threads - but trying to work out the weight of opinion is quite hard in terms of numbers of people.

Thought I'd post a poll about it...

**Ixion** · 26th November 2009, 12:34

It really depends on how it is done. People WILL accept some inconvience from protests IF they can see the reason it is being done.

So , lots of signs, leaflets, polite explanations when challenged etc, will usually get acceptance.

Just inconveniencing people for the sake of it, and they can't see a reason, you'll piss them off.

Problem with malls is that usually the management won't allow the signs , leaflets etc. So the public just have the hassle and don't really know why. And get pissed off by it.

**LBD** · 26th November 2009, 12:57

Council owned public carparks or long lengths of popular parking streets ...Yes

Privatly owned carparks...no

**Maha** · 26th November 2009, 15:16

All those Westie blokes dragged by thier woman to go Xmas shopping? I dont think they will see the humour in 'cant find a fucking park'!...

**CookMySock** · 26th November 2009, 15:52

What have you have effectively done, is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.

Aside from satisfying your own personal curiosity, there is little other purpose except to announce to the world that these people are outcasts. Why would you do that?

Steve

**Jantar** · 26th November 2009, 17:35

There are two issues with protesting at malls that work against us.

The first one is that because of the size of the parking area at most malls the number of bike involved must also be huge. Many hundreds or even thousands would be reuired not just a couple of hundred.

the next issue is that we would be protesting to the wrong people. Its politicians and ACC bosses that we need to target, not Mum and Dad doing their Xmas shopping or the small business owners in the Mall. These people are the ones we want on our side.

The type of parking protest carried out last sunday is perfect. it was short lived, made a point and didn't inconvenience many people at all.

**Katman** · 26th November 2009, 17:49

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

What have you have effectively done, is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.

So what does that tell you, Einstein?

**Gixxer 4 ever** · 26th November 2009, 19:12

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

What have you have effectively done, is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.
Steve

Edit. I have said enough on this matter. But it is clear to me what people think.

**Ronin** · 26th November 2009, 19:41

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

What have you have effectively done, is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.

Aside from satisfying your own personal curiosity, there is little other purpose except to announce to the world that these people are outcasts. Why would you do that?

Steve

Because he doesn't want the world at large to assume that all bikers support it. That's fairly obvious isn't it?

**dpex** · 26th November 2009, 19:47

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

What have you have effectively done, is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.

Aside from satisfying your own personal curiosity, there is little other purpose except to announce to the world that these people are outcasts. Why would you do that?

Steve

I have yet to have any person tell me what difference it would make if I turned up in either of my cages, or on my bike.

So let me try again.

It is the visual impact which is important, not the spaces taken.

For example. At Westfield, West Auckland, on the ground floor (East) there are 108 parking spaces which are normally graced with 108 cages. The visual effect being, that area is filled up.

Now try...and I do stress try to develop a little imagination here....of the same spaces inhabited by 108 bikes. Each of which is there while the owner has a coffee, buys a pie, wanders around, etc.

The visual impact would create the perception the place was empty, accept for these fucking bikers.

But would that same perception intrude if the place was filled with cages?

No!

I normally fin a small rabbit hole in front of a cage to park my bike. Thus I normally take up no extra space, yet I go forth and spend in the malls.

This way....by parking in a whole space I'm doing nothing more than parking. Bike, cage, van. What's the difference?

The difference is the visual impact.

Jesus H Christ, I get more sense out of rabbits than some of you lot.

What is it that you don't understand about the right to park your bike in a mall?

What is it you don't understand about making a mall car-park 'look' empty?

What is that you don't understand about the fact that a simple bikoi to Wellington will gain us about as much value as a cat-flap in an elephant house?

What is it about the proposed rape of bikers you don't understand?

What is it you don't understand about getting proactive?

Guy Fawkes would have been ashamed of you all.

**nothingflash** · 26th November 2009, 19:48

Originally Posted by LBD

Council owned public carparks or long lengths of popular parking streets ...Yes

Privatly owned carparks...no

/\ what he said

**Maha** · 26th November 2009, 19:54

''Jesus H Christ, I get more sense out of rabbits than some of you lot''.

If you wait till Easter next year, maybe, just maybe it will all become clear?
Pesky wabbits.

**Ronin** · 26th November 2009, 20:03

Originally Posted by dpex

What is it that you don't understand about the right to park your bike in a mall?

What is it you don't understand about making a mall car-park 'look' empty?

What is that you don't understand about the fact that a simple bikoi to Wellington will gain us about as much value as a cat-flap in an elephant house?

What is it about the proposed rape of bikers you don't understand?

What is it you don't understand about getting proactive?

Guy Fawkes would have been ashamed of you all.

You are confusing not agreeing with or supporting your choice with not understanding.

Yes you have a right as a shopper in the Mall to park there.

Yup, get the whole 'empty' analogy.

Simple Bikoi? Nothing simple about the organisation from the volunteers or the time and effort 10,000 odd bikers put into getting there.

Yes it is a rape of bikers, and cagers, and workers.

If you want to get pro active then pick something that the media will pay attention to and that has the support of the people you purport to represent.

**Katman** · 26th November 2009, 20:31

Originally Posted by dpex

The visual impact would create the perception the place was empty, except for these fucking bikers.

I rest my case.

**MadDuck** · 26th November 2009, 20:54

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

.... is announce to the world that this action is disapproved of by almost all members of this forum.

So 51 votes is almost all the members? Good one Steve. That is called propoganda and misrepresenting the statistics. Maybe you should consider media liason for the National party or ACC

Originally Posted by dpex

Now try...and I do stress try to develop a little imagination here....of the same spaces inhabited by 108 bikes. Each of which is there while the owner has a coffee, buys a pie, wanders around, etc.

If you not think the retail businesses will not be adversely effected you really need help. Bikers wandering around buying pies and a coffee is going to be detrimental to their Christmas takings.