Why is the Maori Party supporting ACC bill?

[Mudfart]

Any chance I could get hold of a copy of the email?

Lol, I can't give it out, I'll wind up the one behind the bars!
Rest assured, this is not just a corrections fight, this is nationwide, you should all be afraid.
Don't you all see the workers on the news nearly every night outside their jobs, picketing and protesting?
Our employment contracts expire in December, and the dept is refusing to renew them, you know why? Because the dept knows they are selling our jobs, and don't want to be in breach of any employment contracts they might sign next month.
I pray for the day they force the wharfies onto the picket line, or some group of workers that really hurts the country that makes joe public sit up and take notice. IT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wingrider]

Lol, I can't give it out, I'll wind up the one behind the bars!
Rest assured, this is not just a corrections fight, this is nationwide, you should all be afraid.
Don't you all see the workers on the news nearly every night outside their jobs, picketing and protesting?
Our employment contracts expire in December, and the dept is refusing to renew them, you know why? Because the dept knows they are selling our jobs, and don't want to be in breach of any employment contracts they might sign next month.
I pray for the day they force the wharfies onto the picket line, or some group of workers that really hurts the country that makes joe public sit up and take notice. IT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless if you are on individual or collective contracts your employer is obligated to enter into new discussions with you at least 2 months prior to the expiry of the existing contract.

They are obligated to negotiate in "Good faith". make their books open for inspection and I believe there is a specified time frame.

I do not believe they can simply refuse under current employment law.

I also believe that the existing contract stays active until a new contract is in place.

I would be taking legal advise.

[Ixion]

Hm.

Deaprtment of Corrections. Official Information Act.

Hardest thing about the OIA is knowing that what you're after actually exists.
Once you know that it's quite hard for them not to cough up.

So, DoC jobs privatised by Dec 2010. Hm.

[Mudfart]

Regardless if you are on individual or collective contracts your employer is obligated to enter into new discussions with you at least 2 months prior to the expiry of the existing contract.

They are obligated to negotiate in "Good faith". make their books open for inspection and I believe there is a specified time frame.

I do not believe they can simply refuse under current employment law.

I also believe that the existing contract stays active until a new contract is in place.

I would be taking legal advise.

yep its all been to court judges, who mysteriously freeze decisions.
I have said too much, I will not talk about any of this anymore.
I am donning a homemade tinfoil hat so they can't track me.
Fortunately I have good work skills, so I've just applied for a couple of jobs in Aucks.
And it looks like I'm gonna go stay in Oz for 2 weeks and job seek. Pity, coz I just got into bikes and Im luvin it, but I look forward to riding a bigger learner bike in Oz. Nats and Maoris can get stuffed.

[MacD]

They are obligated to negotiate in "Good faith".

Having had an employment dispute with an employer, I can tell you this phrase is held in utter contempt. The concept of good faith was well and truly trampled underfoot.

[Mudfart]

yep, what people fail to realise, is that todays court judges are fraternity brothers from university (or sorority sisters) with todays polititians.
Its all BS.
Like someone said, "you look after me, I'll look after you".
If YOU were a millionaire, would you want any other person the chance to also become a millionaire, thus threatening YOUR riches?
What kind of idiot would be willing to say "Here, take my position of power and wealth, you, after all, are the better man".
LOL.

[Mudfart]

Having had an employment dispute with an employer, I can tell you this phrase is held in utter contempt. All the Head of HR was interested in was whether they had done anything illegal that I could take action against. The concept of good faith was well and truly trampled underfoot.

On my first day in a job, I put my hand out to shake another guys, he said to me "Fuck off you fucken cunt, I fucken hate you". I was 21 years old, he was 40ish.
He held the power base at this job, and ostracised me from his mates and the managers.
I reported him for dropping a screwdriver behind a female worker, bending to pick it up and literally putting his nose up her bumhole.
He was a sexual deviant. It fell on deaf ears. Nothing went to upper management.
After I left the job, he touched the same female inappropriately, she ran from the job crying. The police were'nt called, it was the second time he had done this. Upper management wasn't informed. He was protected by his mates.
Now? Now he IS the production manager!!! I'd hate to be a female going for a job interview there!
Only one example of many injustices I've witnessed.

[NONONO]

Lol, I can't give it out, I'll wind up the one behind the bars!
Rest assured, this is not just a corrections fight, this is nationwide, you should all be afraid.
Don't you all see the workers on the news nearly every night outside their jobs, picketing and protesting?
Our employment contracts expire in December, and the dept is refusing to renew them, you know why? Because the dept knows they are selling our jobs, and don't want to be in breach of any employment contracts they might sign next month.
I pray for the day they force the wharfies onto the picket line, or some group of workers that really hurts the country that makes joe public sit up and take notice. IT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Mud.
Ok mate, but now we are aware that this is in the pipe line we may be able to have some words with CANZ and see what they can legally provide, so thanks anyway, for doing nothing illegal I might add.
I only wish the PSA were not so in bed with the management. Partnership for Quality, my arse.
Sorry to hear your all getting the raz, have family working in the service so it's personal too.
Hope you and yours find a safe harbor, and don't give up or the bastards win.
Have just today emailed PSA to ask for their support for the fight against the levy hikes, while asking them to have a look at this site and it's support for ACC as it should be, Universal, no fault cover.
Hopefully the union movement will wake up soon (left, center and those unions and associations to the right0 and move the CTU off it's arse.
Public servants, not public dogsbodies to be kicked by those holding the purse strings.
Fuck em all, good luck buddy, I won't ask for any more info.

[98tls]

On my first day in a job, I put my hand out to shake another guys, he said to me "Fuck off you fucken cunt, I fucken hate you". I was 21 years old, he was 40ish.
He held the power base at this job, and ostracised me from his mates and the managers.
I reported him for dropping a screwdriver behind a female worker, bending to pick it up and literally putting his nose up her bumhole.
He was a sexual deviant. It fell on deaf ears. Nothing went to upper management.
After I left the job, he touched the same female inappropriately, she ran from the job crying. The police were'nt called, it was the second time he had done this. Upper management wasn't informed. He was protected by his mates.
Now? Now he IS the production manager!!! I'd hate to be a female going for a job interview there!
Only one example of many injustices I've witnessed.

Really?If he does that shit at work fuck knows what he gets up to in his own time.The female should have gone to the cops herself.Serious shit.Had a taxi driver round here that tried some shit on with a lady i was living with,picked me up from home took me to a BBQ/piss up then the fucker went back to my house and tried on some well weird shit...well outta line.Took this chick about a month before she told me,frightened the shit out of her,she was to scared to tell me thinking i would nut out and go round there and give the bloke the bash,instead i waited until whilst out one night rang a cab and bingo it was him that picked us up.Piece of crap just wouldnt respond when i bought it up,looked straight ahead and shut his mouth.So wanted to smack him in the face but couldnt be bothered with the shit that would follow so instead when in town one day saw his also taxi driving wife waiting at the rank,jumped in the cab and whilst we drove round town informed her what her shit-head husband had been up to.In hindsight i should have rung whoever is in charge of taxis and made a complaint,wasnt the first time he had done this shit i later found out.

[FastBikeGear]

The focus belongs on the government. The three polical parties in power are National, Act and the Maori party. The National party needs either one or the other of their partners to pass anything. Our chances of discouraging Act from supporting a move towards user pays are roughly the same as a snowballs chance in hell (and justifiably so, they are doing exactly what they were elected to do).

Our chances of pressuring the Maori Party are higher. They are already under fire for appearing to act in a manner that disadvantages their constituents and seem to be in the process of earning a reputation of supporting big (Maori) business instead of the common man. They are coming across as the Maori version of Act, but their constituents are generally leftwing. A big gesture is really required by them to put them back onside with voters. We should ensure that we can provide the opportunity for them to make the grand gesture (carrot), and also ensure that their constituency understands that if the Maori Party fail to oppose this, they are acting directly against what would be best for Maori in New Zealand (stick).

Agreed I think we need to be asking some tougher questions of the Marori party and be asking for a clarrification on where they stand on this issue.

Who in the Maori party should we be addressing our letters to in order to get this clarification?

[FastBikeGear]

Here is my draft...... what do you think (ignore the spelling)?

In your speech regarding the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Amendment Bill, you state that "The March 2008 report of Statistics New Zealand revealed that Māori have significantly higher injury rates by occupation, with 155 injuries per 1000 fulltime-equivalent workers, compared with 111 for Pākehā. It is higher particularly in occupations such as agriculture, fisheries, manufacturing, and trades. There are also significantly more injuries in lower-paid occupations, where Māori are overrepresented."

The obvious point you are making is that this is not right, and I agree.

I wish to bring to your attention the proposed Motorcycles Levy changes, where there are significant increases, that ACC states are primarily driven by higher injury rates, claims rates and costs as they are overrepresented compared to other road users.

Note that it is ACC's position is that this is appropriate, fair and reasonable, in their proposal documents, media statements and nationwide news paper advertisements.

So if indeed we argree that Maori are dissproportionally impacted, as are motorcyclists, then the parallels are obvious, the conclusions are simply unpalatable.

This leads us to the absurd, where, were we to accept ACC's position regarding Motorcyclists is appropriate, then their position should also be that Maori should pay higher levies than non-Maori.

Can you please let me know your position on the proposed Motorcycle levy increases.

Cheers ears etc

Very nice!

Did you get a response on this?

[MSTRS:Me]

Very nice!

Did you get a response on this?

Unlikely. I played a similar card when we were engrossed in the cheesecutter thing. Tariana did not respond. At all.

[paturoa]

None yet.

I've penning up a variation on that question for Prick Smith tonight if I get an opportunity:

"ACC's rationale for segmention of Motorcycles levies has at its core that motorcycles have signficantly accident rates, the often quoted 16 times statistic comes to mind, and that simply we are over represented.

In Rahui Katene's speech at the first reading of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Amendment Bill last week, she highlighted that Māori have significantly higher injury rates compated to non-Maori and are over represented in every measure.

My question is, if the rationale is valid for motorcyclists, are you also proposing increased levies for Maori as well?"

[FastBikeGear]

None yet.

I've penning up a variation on that question for Prick Smith tonight if I get an opportunity:

"ACC's rationale for segmention of Motorcycles levies has at its core that motorcycles have signficantly accident rates, the often quoted 16 times statistic comes to mind, and that simply we are over represented.

In Rahui Katene's speech at the first reading of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Amendment Bill last week, she highlighted that Māori have significantly higher injury rates compated to non-Maori and are over represented in every measure.

My question is, if the rationale is valid for motorcyclists, are you also proposing increased levies for Maori as well?"

Great question [edit: actually it's not a great question, it's a brilliant question - quaranteed to give us media focus and highlight the inequity, unfairness and ridiculousness of the issue. - please - please ask this!] but can I suggest that we don't repeat the 16 x figure quoted by ACC but use the 'nearly 3 x' figure quoted by Professor Lamb instead. If we repeat the lie we also propgate it and help make it 'fact'.

[paturoa]

Done, 16 x thing - took that out entirely - and i've simplified it a lot also.

I'm going to give copies to Les as well as he is more likely to get to ask a question.

Latest version is:

"ACC's rationale for segmentation of Motorcycles levies is that motorcycles have significantly higher accident rates and that we are over represented compared to other road users.

In Rahui Katene's speech at the first reading of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Amendment Bill last week, she highlighted that Māori have significantly higher injury rates compared to non-Maori, and are over represented.

My question is, if the rationale for separate levies is valid for motorcyclists, are you also proposing separate levies for Maori?"