Let's not inconvenience the public

[coffeejunkie]

OK using basic language that people can understand .. is a great start ... trying to show that you are intelligent by using polysyllabic words shows a true lack of the use of intellect. I have a great way of educating the public ... I SPEAK WITH THEM!

Speaking to people is a great way to get the word out there about what is happening........
It makes me so fucking angry when people like "dpex" get on their soapbox and start demanding that people turn up.....Whats the point?

[Max Headroom]

Arguably one of the more pathetic responses espoused. But you're entitled to your opinion.

That's very gracious of you to allow others to hold an opinion.

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.

My attendence won't be influenced by you, and certainly not by your comments here. There are a number of folk intending to be at the Tamaki Yacht club tomorrow night, and we made that decision without you. Hope you don't mind, but some of us also took the liberty of arranging a pizza delivery. Protesting tends to make us hungry . . . .

It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

After your last fiasco, i'd be surprised if any of the high-profile media will be listening too closely to what you say anymore. Since when did self-proclaimed foot soldiers start directing the troops?

[MSTRS:Me]

I can understand an impassioned plea. I can understand proposing an idea, coupled with reasoning as to why it's a 'good' idea. I can understand a request.

But I can't understand bullying demands and barely hidden threats and overt insults.

Dpex - if you want to be taken seriously (and you DO have some good ideas), you need to be a little less aggressive. In fact, a whole lot less. We are all allies in this, some people need to realise this whole thing is a team effort, it's not all about them
Even if I lived anywhere near, I'd be put off attending by your tone.

[Katman]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

Sounds like someone learnt a new word today.

[Voltaire]

Dpex wrote

It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

Cool, can YOU also ring 0800 83 83 83 and get more pizza and coffee.

[Ronin]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

Dude, seriously. Get a Thesaurus.

On a lighter note. Nasty has done more to help both bikers and the public in the last year than you will ever do in a life time of narrow minded deluded posting on the net.

Go, fight your war, fall on your sword. Just do it on your own. The people you think you are fighting for are sick of you.

[avgas]

As much fun as I would have gatecrashing the gov parties, my schedule is booked for the next week.

Errrr what are you planning to talk to Nick about? Are you assuming that he will listen?
If he does not listen what will you do?

[Ronin]

Do not demand that we do anything Dpex. Your tone is that of a bloody bully.



I will be at both if I can get away from work but I want to make it clear that YOU do not represent me.

Can you find an "I'm not with stoopid" T-Shirt?

[Ixion]

Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.

The problem with malls is that they don't allow signs , leaflets etc. So the opportunity to put the 'why' is very limited.

And unlike Mission Bay, the public don't go elsewhere, park and return to where the bikes are , so we can educate them. They just park elsewhere, enter the mall by a different door , and grumble about 'inconsiderate
bikers'.

A mall is just not very friendly territory for this sort of thing

h

[scissorhands]

Anger is no good dude. No one likes a hot head, and you need to chill out a bit. Try 'The Daktory' in New Lynn.

Intensions mean squat without a result

[Ronin]

Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.

The problem with malls is that they don't allow signs , leaflets etc. So the opportunity to put the 'why' is very limited.

And unlike Mission Bay, the public don't go elsewhere, park and return to where the bikes are , so we can educate them. They just park elsewhere, enter the mall by a different door , and grumble about 'inconsiderate
bikers'.

A mall is just not very friendly territory for this sort of thing

h

And this dpex is why the majority are happy to work with the people who organised the bikoi. Well considered well written arguments.

[wingrider]

And here I was thinking that the Jim Knox / Ken Douglas style of militancy went out in the early eighties.

Reading this has stirred memories of why I hated them so much.

The rhetoric smacks of demands from those who believe they have a controlling right whilst hiding behind others.

Your hearts in the right place, pity your head is buried somewhere so deep that you cant see whats in front of you.

Even the militants learned that you don't win wars with brute force alone, nor by alienating those who agree with the fundermentals for what you are fighting for.

The National party and acc, ( who are just wanabe national puppets) along with their business roundtable supporters believe that if they get into bed with each other and coerce the other minority players with bribes that they can take on the world.

At the end of the day they forget that the majority is on the other side although there are some that just dont know it.

The smart leader in opposition picks his moment and thinks smarter than the opponent. He educates his force so that when he does fight, he has one mass, all going in the same direction, singing from the same songsheet and totally united in the quest.

it's always better to be judged by 12 of your peers than to be carried by 6 of your mates at the end of it all.

[Mully]

Sometimes I quite simply love this place.

Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.

Very well said, Ixion.

[wingrider]

Ok lets try this as a totally different approach.

National is totally RELIANT on the support of their minority partners to get the changes passed.

The biggest minority is the Maori Party.

But instead of talking to ALL members of the party, they fragment it and only speak to the elected few offering big bribes that will only benefit those few and not the majority.

Do we then, rock up to the Maori Party HQ. muskets in hand and demand they give it back?

Or are we better to rock up to the home of Maoridom, and educate the majority that their elected few have tossed them into the river without a waka all for 30 pieces of silver that the majority will never see?

Reunite the majority as one mass with us, marching as one army, to tell those elected few that they have just lost their Mana and we will not let them sell us out again.

National have just lost their main supporter and the opposition ranks have just swelled.

Now some of us might not like it that we have those others in our ranks BUT.
Do we let a few shaft the lot of us OR do we all shaft the few in return?

[R6_kid:Me]

It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

Good idea, it worked really well last time.









NOT!

What is it to them? The idea is to pressure the Government. If motorcyclists attending those functions becomes a 'problem' then the press will show up regardless. There is no point telling them that we will be there in force (without knowing for sure) and then only having 10 people on motorcycles show up, looking 'really scary'.

Could you please stick to being amateur at something else? Surely if it was worth reporting to the media, Les Mason would have done so already.