Ulysses please explain why you're selling us out

[Conquiztador]

idle: This has NOT been a wasted exercise or a process of wrongful accusations. It has been a well deserved clarification of the standpoint of the Ulysses prez, and as such has united the bikerdom even more. Smittys intent to divide has backfired and he is digging him self deeper. He still has not understood that we do not walk around 24/7 in black leathers.

Cheers to you for voicing this and cheers to Peter Mac of clarifying it all. There is still the small matter of Les's posting with some background info. But I will ignore any of that for the purpose of the end goal of this all.

United we go forward!

[Mom]

the media like well tied up little bundles: they are impotent when dealing with a 'club' without a leader

if BRONZ dropped the objection to disruption I'd be happy for them to negotiate for me

BRONZ are following a mandate that was voted on by majority at that meeting. BRONZ have a role to play in all this and should be supported in their attenpts to advocate for bikers rights. I bet if you pushed BRONZ though they will admit that they have no control over individuals and their actions. I am individual, I dont intend to be quiet.

BRONZ are not against disruption persay. They admit that some disruption is inevitable. They wont support any action that deliberatly sets out to disrupt. Cant be helped if some disruption happens though.

[Flip]

Joined Bronz a few weeks ago, stuck the patch on my vest and have alredy had to explain why I have BRONZ AUCKLAND on it. Its the Auckland that raises hackels down here.

[idleidolidyll]

idle: This has NOT been a wasted exercise or a process of wrongful accusations. It has been a well deserved clarification of the standpoint of the Ulysses prez, and as such has united the bikerdom even more. Smittys intent to divide has backfired and he is digging him self deeper. He still has not understood that we do not walk around 24/7 in black leathers.

Cheers to you for voicing this and cheers to Peter Mac of clarifying it all. There is still the small matter of Les's posting with some background info. But I will ignore any of that for the purpose of the end goal of this all.

United we go forward!

Indeed: I agree and actually I think it helps to cement us together in light of Nick Smiths lies

[Ixion]

Joined Bronz a few weeks ago, stuck the patch on my vest and have alredy had to explain why I have BRONZ AUCKLAND on it. Its the Auckland that raises hackels down here.

OK. Is easy . Restart BRONZ Christchurch. Stoney has got BRONZ wellington up and running again. Not hard. You are now the first President of BRONZ (Christchurch). Congratulations

Deadly serious.

(You could transfer to Timaru)

[mikeey01]

Flip where's the first meeting mate, I wanna join.

[StoneY]

Les aint joking either, BRONZ is rebuilding

Aucks have been uber supportive of our fledgling effort here in Welly

First meeting next week at PnJ
Monday 7pm

[Ixion]

Just needs someone to step up to the plate to call an inaugural meeting.

[izzyc]

Well i wont agree with the ulysses...if they have that outlook then they need to re-name themselves to USE-LESS, hey they have over 100k in their bank acc ....how about if they want the increase to promote safer riding, DONT TAKE IT OUT OF BIKE REGO'S.....TAKE it out of their COFFERS! ! ! ! !

[caseye]

Well i wont agree with the ulysses...if they have that outlook then they need to re-name themselves to USE-LESS, hey they have over 100k in their bank acc ....how about if they want the increase to promote safer riding, DONT TAKE IT OUT OF BIKE REGO'S.....TAKE it out of their COFFERS! ! ! ! !

Ho Hum, here we go again.

[Reckless]

I won't quote Izzy-c again I suppose everyone has their opinion but the thought occurred if Ulysses can get 100k (if this figure is accurate) why can't bronze from the same sources?? I don't know what the membership of both entities is, but you could well find Ulysses has a far larger following (over 4000 back in 1997 according to their website). IF the above is the case from the Govt's point of view, who really does have the larger representation for Motorcyclists???

If Ulysses money came from membership fees-everyone needs to front up and join Bronze (its only 20 bucks)-maybe bronze also needs to take this opportunity while they are at the forefront to think about doing some more group type activities etc.

If this 100k came from the Govt why can't Bronze get their hands on some of the same handouts?

If Ulysses have saved 100k from membership fees. Do the math 4000 x $55 = 200k on its own. They can spend it however the hell they like, its simply not anyones money but theirs! If it came from Acc or somewhere they may have no choice but to spend it where its supposed to go!
Mute argument as I see it!

Jeepers I for one applaud Ulysses stand after all the shit on this thread if I had 4000 plus members and 100k in the bank I'd have been tempted to tell you all to get fucked.

[Ixion]

The reason's fairly simple. Ulysses is a club. And has the usual club activities - rides, club nights and so on. People are conditioned to pay for that.

BRONZ isn't a club, it's an advocacy group. Most of the time , bikers aren't being targeted. So no-one sees any reason to join BRONZ. Then of course when we ARE targeted , everyone wants BRONZ to "do something" - but still very few actually join up.

Same thing as KiwiBiker - how much money has that raised from the thousands of "members" it has? Mr Spankme has to scramble to even try to cover costs on his T shirts.

If there's 100000 riders in the country and 10% of them put in $50 each, we'd be able to fund a proper professional publicity campaign. They won't, we can't.

[Katman]

BRONZ isn't a club, it's an advocacy group. Most of the time , bikers aren't being targeted. So no-one sees any reason to join BRONZ. Then of course when we ARE targeted , everyone wants BRONZ to "do something" - but still very few actually join up.

While we're on that subject, can you give us any idea how many motorcyclists have bothered to join BRONZ since this ACC thing started?

[Reckless]

The reason's fairly simple. Ulysses is a club. And has the usual club activities - rides, club nights and so on. People are conditioned to pay for that.

BRONZ isn't a club, it's an advocacy group. Most of the time , bikers aren't being targeted. So no-one sees any reason to join BRONZ. Then of course when we ARE targeted , everyone wants BRONZ to "do something" - but still very few actually join up.

Well that clears that up, and fair enough to. I can see your position and the difficulty of it. Makes your position tricky, but all the more reason for you and them to work together. I was very pleased to see your water under the bridge approach when you could have got a little aggrieved at a few things.
I'm glad I finally joined up last Wednesday. If you need a hand with anything PM me!

If there's 100000 riders in the country and 10% of them put in $50 each, we'd be able to fund a proper professional publicity campaign. They won't, we can't.

They should, then We could!!

[STJim]

Well i wont agree with the ulysses...if they have that outlook then they need to re-name themselves to USE-LESS, hey they have over 100k in their bank acc ....how about if they want the increase to promote safer riding, DONT TAKE IT OUT OF BIKE REGO'S.....TAKE it out of their COFFERS! ! ! ! !

As a member of Ulysses I am able to say that Ulysses funds are accumulated from membership fees and interest earned on those fees.
The club has an arragement which allows members to pay up to 3 yeeasr is advance.
The Ulysses Club of New Zealand is an Incorporated society.
It records including it's financila position is public information which can be seached for free on the Companies Office web site.
This would be one of the most uniformed rants that I have seen on this forum