Ulysses please explain why you're selling us out

[NONONO]

It was intended to carry through beyond the Welly protest ride but bear in mind this all happened rather quickly. But I can see what you mean from the initial thread.

I am more than happy to continue to administer any fundraising required to fight the ACC campaign.

For some strange reason I can no longer update the thread - I have advised the Mods. So a new thread is more than probable

Jut thinking aloud..
A newly named fighting fund.
Les asked for $50 per biker, mines waiting.
Specific goals for the fund.
Start it today, advertise it at Toy Run on Sat.
I think if we are fund raising a war chest it needs to be organized and in our faces. No good, the sewing circle and the T shirt guys working their arses off for a few dollars ( all credit to them, and for all I know they may have raised thousands). Lets get some decent money up and working for us.
On another thread people are costing billboards and it looks like serious money, but not if we all chip in what we can.
Good on yer all for the work so far.

[pritch]

With the cirtieria of being over 40 being a pre-requisite

I understand that the average age of motorcyclists in this country is currently around 43 and rising. Obviously some of us are below average in this respect. And possibly other respects as well?

[caseye]

My $50.00 is ready and waiting too Ixion.
Does the poor buger have to ASK us, come on you lot, hands in deep, deeper, thats it get it out!
Lets give our representatives something to fight properly with.

[caseye]

I understand that the average age of motorcyclists in this country is currently around 43 and rising. Obviously some of us are below average in this respect. And possibly other respects as well?

pritch the over 40 to join relates specifically to Ulysses, not BRONZ or any of the other groups represented here. The average age of NZ's motorcycling enthusiasts is 46 yrs or thereabouts. yes.
Aged bikers , slow down and don't do nearly as much silly stuff as they used to.
Is this what you were referring to by any chance, we didn't get to be old bikers by staying silly and bullet proof.

[StoneY]

Aged bikers , slow down and don't do nearly as much silly stuff as they used to.

Speak for yaself Cas!

Only time I ever got me a 'timeout' was the day after I turned OLD!

Sigh...I farkin hate the bus!

[StoneY]

though I no longer have a functioning iron, mine died ironing transfers

I have a spare Mon!
PM address, saves me placing it on trademe LOL

[Mom]

I have a spare Mon!
PM address, saves me placing it on trademe LOL

shucks! You are a lovely thang. Friggen Fly Buys did not come to the party for a new one...LOL

[FastBikeGear]

Les, just a thought

Although I have yet to join BRONZ or Ulysses is there some way on KB for those who are paid up members or who have made a donation to indicate they are.

Could they put a BRONZ or Ulysses icon in their signatures or something.

It might help promote your membership.

[kinger]

Could they put a BRONZ or Ulysses icon in their signatures or something.

You'd need to be careful there mate, apparently permission from on high is needed to use the Ulysses logo for non approved stuff.
As a member of the club, I'm glad the animosity in this thread seems to have died down, and would once again reiterate that it is a social club for over 40s with an interest in bikes, not a political forum.

No one in the club speaks for me. The few fellow branch members who rode to Welly did so of their own accord, not under instruction.

[duckonin]

Les, just a thought

Although I have yet to join BRONZ or Ulysses is there some way on KB for those who are paid up members or who have made a donation to indicate they are.

Could they put a BRONZ or Ulysses icon in their signatures or something.

It might help promote your membership.

Hi Matey if you asked the right Q u you would get an answer.

I am a member of Ulysses.. Yesterday I paid a family membership to BRONZ Auck's, knowing my subs to both will be put to good use, motorcyclists do need to have a leader speaking for them on matters that are upon us now ACC .. to do this alone is futilty.Yes I know my subs do not amount to much, but if more joined then collectively the fighting fund for the future will help , if in the event it is not needed then I am sure BRONZ will put it to good use with rider training or to a needy charity...

[idleidolidyll]

duckonin: it isn't insubstantial, it's exactly what's needed

however, along with your subscription, you get the right to participate and help steer either organisation toward your perception of the 'right way'

motorcycling does need leadership but the term itself is often misconstrued: a leader is not someone who acts as a dictator or despot, a leader is someone the members will follow because he or she sets a shining example

the best leaders are often those who don't even want to be leaders

i've never been much of a clubby but recent events have shifted my ideas a bit.
i don't agree with all BRONZ is doing but they are doing what their membership voted for and they gave all of us an open opportunity to participate even though we were not members (penrose a month or so ago).

in the last week i've slowly thawed to the idea of joining and participating.
however, where we disagree, i will act as an individual once i'm a member

ulysseus isn't my kind of org; too many grandads and grammas (joke, i am one). ulysseus is not an org convened on behalf of all motorcyclists; its a club, BRONZ has at its heart the philosophy required to be the national voice of everyone regardless of which club you also belong to

[flyingcrocodile46]

duckonin: it isn't insubstantial, it's exactly what's needed

however, along with your subscription, you get the right to participate and help steer either organisation toward your perception of the 'right way'

motorcycling does need leadership but the term itself is often misconstrued: a leader is not someone who acts as a dictator or despot, a leader is someone the members will follow because he or she sets a shining example

the best leaders are often those who don't even want to be leaders

i've never been much of a clubby but recent events have shifted my ideas a bit.
i don't agree with all BRONZ is doing but they are doing what their membership voted for and they gave all of us an open opportunity to participate even though we were not members (penrose a month or so ago).

in the last week i've slowly thawed to the idea of joining and participating.
however, where we disagree, i will act as an individual once i'm a member

ulysseus isn't my kind of org; too many grandads and grammas (joke, i am one). ulysseus is not an org convened on behalf of all motorcyclists; its a club, BRONZ has at its heart the philosophy required to be the national voice of everyone regardless of which club you also belong to

[caseye]

duckonin: it isn't insubstantial, it's exactly what's needed

however, along with your subscription, you get the right to participate and help steer either organisation toward your perception of the 'right way'

motorcycling does need leadership but the term itself is often misconstrued: a leader is not someone who acts as a dictator or despot, a leader is someone the members will follow because he or she sets a shining example

the best leaders are often those who don't even want to be leaders

i've never been much of a clubby but recent events have shifted my ideas a bit.
i don't agree with all BRONZ is doing but they are doing what their membership voted for and they gave all of us an open opportunity to participate even though we were not members (penrose a month or so ago).

in the last week i've slowly thawed to the idea of joining and participating.
however, where we disagree, i will act as an individual once i'm a member

ulysseus isn't my kind of org; too many grandads and grammas (joke, i am one). ulysseus is not an org convened on behalf of all motorcyclists; its a club, BRONZ has at its heart the philosophy required to be the national voice of everyone regardless of which club you also belong to

Well put Ideli.BRONZ are leading the way on the ACC thing when it comes to organising the main events, so far as I'm aware.(I know that Ulysses and other clubs have and do organise other protest activities, I 've attended a few of em)
Leading the charge isn't the plum job here though, it's going to get low down and dirty.
The suggestion that the major clubs organisations get together and sort out who takes point is a good one.

[Ixion]

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i've never been much of a clubby but recent events have shifted my ideas a bit.
i don't agree with all BRONZ is doing but they are doing what their membership voted for and they gave all of us an open opportunity to participate even though we were not members (penrose a month or so ago).

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Nor would BRONZ want you to do anything else. BRONZ stands for Bikers' RIGHTS. You can hardly have rights if you are dictated to.

BRONZ is not an organisation that dictates to bikers. BRONZ is an organisation that tries (It's hard, folks, cut us some slack) to assess what bikers want, and articulates that to TPTB.

To try to stifle the opinions of those that do not agree would be contrary to every precept of rights and free speech.

It's not a club!
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It is, perhaps , a megaphone where inidividualk voices can be amplified.

[DEVVIL]

Jut thinking aloud..
A newly named fighting fund.
Les asked for $50 per biker, mines waiting.
Specific goals for the fund.
Start it today, advertise it at Toy Run on Sat.
I think if we are fund raising a war chest it needs to be organized and in our faces. No good, the sewing circle and the T shirt guys working their arses off for a few dollars ( all credit to them, and for all I know they may have raised thousands). Lets get some decent money up and working for us.
On another thread people are costing billboards and it looks like serious money, but not if we all chip in what we can.
Good on yer all for the work so far.

Bikeoi 2 $10 per bike on a weekend 10,000 bike's
or a toy run at each city $10 each bike $$$$