Bikers able to live with ACC rise?

[Rayray401]

what? how? when?, was watching prime news just then and the guy says:"bikers say they can live with the ACC levy increase, but warn the govt not to try something like that again"?????? what???? since when were we ok with any increase??

[spookytooth]

Yea its bullshit and just the game they were playing from the start.Say its going up to 700 odd then say oh we feel sorry for you its only going to be around 600 now run along and say how great we are

[CrAzYMoFo]

its a load of crap this is what they planned to do in the first place

they say they are going 2 raise it by like $500 then they 'appear to back down'
and say that the biker campaign has won

saying that we only get about a $100 increase

we would have protested over having a $100 increase but this is made to make people think we have won and to try take the air out of the anti acc rise campaign

the rise is still ridiculous

i for one still wont be paying for acc when i need to renew my current rego cause its still not acceptable

[Squiggles]

I could afford this level of increase, as tight as things might get, but that doesnt mean ill accept any increase...

[CrAzYMoFo]

sure as hell need another protest ride over this to show that we arnt going to take there BULL SH*T

[Rayray401]

I could afford this level of increase, as tight as things might get, but that doesnt mean ill accept any increase...

I agree, I can afford this, but I wouldnt accept any increase at all..

[AllanB]

It will cost me a extra $174 a year - or 47 cents per day.

I can live with that. The family will no longer be affected.

It is the next review we need to concentrate on now.

The argument that motorcycles should not pay more than cars was always and will always be a lost cause - for no other reason that the worlds perception, rightly or wrongly, is that motorcycles are a more 'dangerous' from of transport.

Lets see if any Labour MP's still think the increase is unjustified. This will be interesting.

[Quasievil]

yup I can live with it and Im now officially over it, fight over moving on

[CrAzYMoFo]

acc is a no blame no fult system that means we should all pay the same (cars, bikes,trucks) and if you go buy how it was initially meant to be set up then u shouldent even have 2 pay per car or bike the original concept was to have it marked on your licence

why the hell should we pay for what is practicaly "heath insurance" for every mode of transport we own when we can only use one at a time its like paying for the same thing (in my case) three times how is that fair?

also just because some can afford this increase dont mean all can

frankly if there not going to make ac run as its ment to i want the rite to sue

i dont like the idea of everyone sueing one another but if they arnt going to run the system like its ment to be they wont be getting there cash outa me thats for sure

[nothingflash]

i for one still wont be paying for acc when i need to renew my current rego cause its still not acceptable

Just out of curiosity - how does that work?

[Ixion]

It will cost me a extra $174 a year - or 47 cents per day.

I can live with that. The family will no longer be affected.

It is the next review we need to concentrate on now.

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Just so. Although still *unfair*, and large enough to be a burden, a rise of $174 a year (and about $75 for <600cc) should not see any mass sales of bikes, or great sacrifices needing to be made. Put the sum in context - it's one less beer a fortnight, roughly. I doubt that many riders could justly claim that their budgets were that tight.

It's still not fair. And the mechanism whereby ACC can just dream up a crushing figure is wrong.

We need to fight on. But the focus now needs to be solely on the Big Hairy Audacious Demand - the one we set at the very start - abolition of the separate classification.

Complaining about the amount of dollars now will quickly see the public turn against us, as a bunch of moaners.

In military terms, we were invaded by an enemy in apparently overwhelming strength. We have beaten back the attack, at a cost , but *motorcycling* (as opposed to our wallets) is safe. Now we need to counterattack.

[shrub]

but I don't want to unless I get something for my money. I've been riding 30 years now and had 2 ACC claims - both over 25 years ago.

I know that motorcycling can be (relatively) safe with the right skills, gear and attitude. I would happily cough the extra if ACC were to turn around and say "Mr Motorbicyclist, please come and tell us how we can make things safer for you".

And maybe they are - Good Uncle Nick has said he'll take $30.00 off all of us to spend on something like the Victorian model. I have read the Victorian "Strategic Action Plan for Powered Two Wheelers", and it's surprisingly good. My concern is that $30.00 isn't enough, and instead of involving US in the decision making process (you and I know a fair chunk about motorcycle safety) they'll have well meaning doctors, road designers and cops making all the decisions.

And that's what any future action needs to focus on. They're not going to back down any more - they have made their planned concession. We need to campaign, and campaign HARD on making our lives safer.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Complaining about the amount of dollars now will quickly see the public turn against us, as a bunch of moaners.

and this was there plan right from the begining...

I can tell you now that none of the submissions with ideas and a better and fairer collection were ever read... they simpley don't care...

[AllanB]

acc is a no blame no fult system that means we should all pay the same (cars, bikes,trucks) and if you go buy how it was initially meant to be set up then u shouldent even have 2 pay per car or bike the original concept was to have it marked on your licence

You are talking about a total review of the system here.

As far as the why pay twice, thrice, etc for multi vehicles - this argument needs ALL road users behind it - motorcycles will be ignored totally in this argument and should not be singled out for special treatment, if applied it should be to all road users (excluding businesses of course ).

It would be interesting to see just how much higher ACC on a vehicle would be if they changed it so it was charged to a licensed user instead of a vehicle. I imagine it would be substantial.
IMO the best we could hope for is a multi vehicle discount. Anything would be better than the current system which sees me paying for vehicles sitting in the shed.

[Ixion]

Of course. A very shrewd politician is Mr Smith. I wonder if Mr Judge really is the extraordinarily BAD politician he appears to be? Or if Mr Smith is even cleverer- as clever perhaps as fox who's swallowed a cartload of weasel pills.

So, we don't complain about the dollars. We complain about the PRINCIPLE. That's not a U turn, we've said that all along. The whole campaign was "Who's next ?" . Not "I don't want to pay more" Was it not?