Bikers able to live with ACC rise?

[Jizah]

Fuck the poll, This isn't over just because Les can personally afford the increase.

Fuck me, I'm sure a heap of people could afford the original increase but they still came along and showed their support for the cause.

Why?, Cause its BULLSHIT.

I don't like it either, but honestly I am not going to partake in any more protests if 95% of motorcyclists are against it. This is why I want a poll.

[Str8 Jacket]

By your reaction I am guessing I missed something. Which isn't surprising, I've only had about 2 minutes of total exposure to today's news.

Sorry mate, there goes my sarcasm button again.

Though I expect to see an abundance on polls starting on KB anytime....... now......

[glegge]

After reading talk about not paying rego it got me thinking, what about all the people that already dont pay there rego on there car/var/bike/trailer.. whatever.. lets face it - plenty of it goes on.

[Ixion]

Ixion.
As someone who has admired what you have done so far and watched you stand up to Smith on more than one occasion, I have no wish to get into a slanging match.
In answer to your question 'how do we not accept"? Well, we keep doing what we have been doing.
We refuse to accept the Hike, we protest it at every opportunity, we demand parity, we do whatever we can. We organize protests, we Bikeoi, we write to the papers. We say "Why us and Who's next?"
We can't accept this rise, not now, not ever, or we are the wedge which Smith uses to keep the door open for privatization

Of course we do. No-one ,as far as I am aware has suggested otherwise. But all these things are protests about principles. Not about the number of dollars.

The original proposals had the capability to destroy motorcycling. These do not. And the public perceived the original numbers as preposterous. They will not see the new ones as such. There is no political mileage left in saying simply "The levy rates are too high, we should not be expected to pay that big a sum". We must realign our protests to the principles. "These increases are wrong, not because we object to paying extra (though of course we are not happy about that); but because ACC is not supposed to work that way". This is realpolitik. We cannot win any victory at all if the mass of the public oppose us. There are 4 million of them, at best 100000 of us (and only maybe one tenth of that number who will actually fight).

Mr Smith did not reduce the levy (even by the amount he did) because of any qualms of conscience. He did it because he perceived that the public supported us, and wanted to eliminate that support. He is a very shrewd politician. I am sure he is right. Continuing to complain about dollars will alienate our support. Focusing on principle - with reference to the fact that we STILL pay more than others, and that motorcycles are the ONLY group thus singled out, as examples of why the system is wrong, will at least sustain it . maybe increase it.

Mr Smith cut back the increases because he hopes we will continue to complain about them. And his judgement and research shows that will antagonise the public. By doing so we would be playing right into his hands. He doesn't care about a few thousand bitching bikers. He does care about bikers telling a tale that the public listen to.

He is a very cunning man. We must be more cunning , not just louder.

Woodhouse, not dollars.

[Ixion]

Someone needs to setup a poll, see just how many people still want to carry on the protest.

Most everyone wants to carry on the protest. But what are you protesting ABOUT?

Are you protesting that you, personally, shouldn't have to pay any increase. And if that were so, who cares what the government does to ACC?

Or are you protesting because you want to protect the Woodhouse based ACC scheme from incursions ?

Woodhouse ? or dollars?

[zahria]

I have to admit I was surprised to see our Reps on TV saying that the reduced increases are ok, given the hype and rhetoric that is in various threads on this site.
Surely they were not speaking for us as a whole?
Because I am still furious at the whole issue.
This should still be an issue to be protested.
Has BRONZ given up the fight?

The Issue has not gone away. The ACC restructuring and Levie system is deviating from the principles on which it was founded.
Why the bloody hell are we paying more for a service which is delivering less?

[nothingflash]

nope do what i sudgested in another post send them a letter paying the rego and admin fees..

just dont pay the acc part

send it 2 them by mail (dont expect a rego card back)

and hey u paied rego not acc lol

I'd imagine it's not paid until the cheque is presented - given your account wouldn't be debited until then - so you haven't actually bought anything by definition.

If the unthinkable did happen I doubt my insurance company would agree with me that because I sent a cheque (even though it was never presented) I paid for the rego despite not receiving a rego card back. I also doubt a cop would be terribly sympathetic either.

Don't get me wrong, I am as angered as the next person but I don't see how making my personal condition worse (riding without a registration) will help.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Or are you protesting because you want to protect the Woodhouse based ACC scheme from incursions ?

For me it has always been this...

I want ACC to go back to the way it was suppose to be run the way it was setup... the single account, and a fairer collection model

[zahria]

He is a very cunning man. We must be more cunning , not just louder.

Woodhouse, not dollars.[/QUOTE]

Thats better.

[Squiggles]

I have to admit I was surprised to see our Reps on TV saying that the reduced increases are ok

Can you tell me what report they said it was "ok" on, or is that an interpretation of what was presented, perhaps a misinterpretation?

[Elysium]

I will say that I can manage the amount put by Nick Smith finacialy. Though I'm still against paying any increase but at least I can somewhat afford to run my only form of transport at the moment.

[davereid]

Mr Smith cut back the increases because he hopes we will continue to complain about them. And his judgement and research shows that will antagonise the public. By doing so we would be playing right into his hands.

Thanks for your hard work Ix, we all owe you a vote of thanks.

Here, you have hit the nail on the head.

Bikers now have to seen as supporting other groups campaigning for fairer ACC rather than carrying our own torch.

This has to be led by Unions, the deaf, victims of crime and sexual assault, normal kiwis seeing the damage being done to ACC, not just by us.

[FastBikeGear]

G Didn't someone mention that they are going to be introducing a new software(does that mean the current software is broken~)?

There was a brief article covering their RFP in Resller News about 5 weeks ago. The new software is to provide them with "standard Insurance" functions such as no claim bonuses and excesses, etc. The decision to spend millions purchasing and integrating this software into their existing system indicates that the decision to become an insurance company was made some time ago.

[mashman]

Woodhouse ? or dollars?

It's a trap either way, because Woodhouse requires $$$. We need a plan C, but we can't chose a plan C blindly. Unfortunately we don't have the ACC accounts or access to the data on which to base a logically thought out "policy" for plan C to be effective.

The down side is that we'll argue and bicker, but the world will turn, levies will be collected, protests will continue blah blah...

It's a political minefield... no disrespect to those who are advocating not paying for rego, or trying not to pay the ACC part, but you do realise that if enough people do that then you're screwing over some old lady that needs her hip replaced!!! and thus opening the door for more levy hikes!!! WTF do you think not paying your ACC levy was going to prove?

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFO ON WHICH TO BASE A SOUND PROPOSAL, KNEE JERK REACTIONS WILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD FOR EVERYONE!

Take a look at the reasoning behind the levy hikes... seriously, it's all based on information from a database and some fucking noddy probability calculations. This is where the ACC and Ministers get their figures from to justify the hikes.

Cry all you like, but until you can prove that the figures are shit and have the population understand the ramifications of shit figures (which they're seeing now, but not understanding) the world will turn, your tears will fall, your voice will be unheard and your pockets will get lighter, just because some twat added an extra 0 to the number of claims!!!!!!

[zahria]

Can you tell me what report they said it was "ok" on, or is that an interpretation of what was presented, perhaps a misinterpretation?

http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-levy-incr...5/Default.aspx