Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

[caseye]

SUX ! aye Mom. No matter you'll be up an about soon enough, then God elp us!.
As for those posting with regards to more mass Bike protests.
Please people "READ" whats before you, November this year is when BikHoi 2 is planned for.
Yes after the wallets have been pried open.
Yes it'll be done by us for us.
And yes any other affected parties will be invited to join US!
This is ongoing, we haven't gone away we are not going to choke on what we bite off, we are going to either stop this thing altogether or make the Nats very very sick and show them come election time what we think of their ideas for making their rich freinds richer and the whole country poorer for this stupid incompetent legislation.
Hey Conquiztador nicely put, it is the way and please excuse my borrowing your line.

[oldrider]

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

Too much influence from the AA has made them like that! I still think they (AA) are the real target for us to attack!

Good luck with your foot, makes me wish I was a Physiotherapist!

[Conquiztador]

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

I have a few that you should add that restricts your freedom:
- Bungie jump
- Walk in a ACC protest
- Kick Smitty up the ass

[yungatart]

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

That is, to put it bluntly, fucken ridiculous!
After my accident, I put riding down on my form.
If I were you, I'd put it down Anne. It IS important to you, you have paid your levies and now you get to reap the benefits of that.
FFS, you didn't even injure yourself on a bike, and so what if you had?
It is not up to ACC or anyone else to pass judgement on your lifestyle choices

[StoneY]

Too much influence from the AA has made them like that! I still think they (AA) are the real target for us to attack!

Good luck with your foot, makes me wish I was a Physiotherapist!

Mom I feel for ya your a trooper, and such injuries suck ass big time
Old your on a good one there, my old favourite red rep flame P.Dath has been doing marvelous work with the AA

He is on the verge of getting the pricks to support pay as you go through tireless and largley unrecognised efforts

That man deserves a Tui (maybe even a Blonde!)

Recover soon Anne we need troopers like you

[MSTRS:Me]

We went down to Welly in November, we told Smitty that the raising of the ACC levies on bikes was BULLSHIT!. That was one bit. Only a small part of the changes ACC is gonna have done to it. And it worked!

Just playing Devil's Advocate here...but did it work? The amount was dropped, but is still unpalatably higher than other forms of private transport. And the unwarranted cc split stayed in. Other than a 'nod' to the levy amount, not a single thing we said was listened to.

[kevie]

a couple pics I took of the protest on 16th as well.


While the numbers by the union(s) wasnt great the numbr of bikers was pretty good and a good day had and the message .... "we will be back" reinforced to the politicians

[Conquiztador]

Just playing Devil's Advocate here...but did it work? The amount was dropped, but is still unpalatably higher than other forms of private transport. And the unwarranted cc split stayed in. Other than a 'nod' to the levy amount, not a single thing we said was listened to.

I will refrace my point: I know that we are still charged a higher levy, I know that what we are now to pay most probably is what they were looking for to starters anyhow, but the November Bikeoi made a difference. We stood up, we made our point, and suddenly NZ Bikers are a group of ppl that are a force that needs to be considered when making decisions.

So I will parrot my self here: Lets take a new issue. One from the bunch of issues that we do not agree on and lets do it again. A single issue that we know that bikers are pissed off with and will all agree on. (I have said this umphteen times before, but feel I need to state it again: You will NEVER get bikers to agree on the whole "save our ACC" issue. many bikers want it privatised, many want it returned to how it was supposed to be etc. That is political, and even if we hear that this is political, for many bikers it is only re government bullkshit that we do not agree on. And yes, I realise that that is politics. But very few of us want to be politicaly active).

It has to be focused, it has to be simple, it has to be a "one issue" agenda.

Here a few:
- CC split
- STILL high levies!
- Loosing holidays before ACC kicks in
- Smaller ACC payments
- Bikes to be considered as part of the general motorists

And I could go on. But I think you get my point: This "Leave our ACC alone" is not uniting us bikers. It is deviding us!

[Bald Eagle]

A single issue that we can motivate bikers with and Jo and Jane Q Public will understand I like that


Loosing holidays before ACC kicks in

[mashman]

A single issue that we can motivate bikers with and Jo and Jane Q Public will understand I like that


Loosing holidays before ACC kicks in

When you're gone. Who will be looking after your children, friends, families, community should the worst happen?

[MSTRS:Me]

... most probably is what they were looking for to starters anyhow, but the November Bikeoi made a difference. We stood up, we made our point, and suddenly NZ Bikers are a group of ppl that are a force that needs to be considered when making decisions.

I know exactly what you are saying, but still playing Devil's Advocate...if (and that's a big if, cos none of us are in the Prick's inner circle) the level of rise is what he'd planned in the first place - then what did we win?

[oldrider]

Just playing Devil's Advocate here...but did it work? The amount was dropped, but is still unpalatably higher than other forms of private transport. And the unwarranted cc split stayed in. Other than a 'nod' to the levy amount, not a single thing we said was listened to.

And the reduction was "predetermined" and factored in depending upon the reaction from us!

These politicians are really skilled at poking shit out to an apathetic public!

It is after all, "what they do" for an above average living!

What we are doing here is kicking each other's rice bowl.

They (the politicians) get their rice out of the public trough, so we get kicked twice as hard, twice as often!

And "we" pay for it "all"!

It's a bit like David Tua fighting Lennox Lewis, David never changed his tactics for the whole fight and was overwhelmed by Lewis's boxing skills!

Lewis on the other hand did show respect for Tua's "power", the result could have been different if David had only changed his approach, even just enough to confuse and surprise Lewis might have done it!

Give Smith and Smiley Key another taste of our power, then introduce an element of surprise and create confusion amongst their coalition partners and anti-motorcycle proponents, like the AA!

Works OK for Al-Qaeda, doesn't it?

If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you've always got!

[Ixion]

I will refrace my point: I know that we are still charged a higher levy, I know that what we are now to pay most probably is what they were looking for to starters anyhow, but the November Bikeoi made a difference. We stood up, we made our point, and suddenly NZ Bikers are a group of ppl that are a force that needs to be considered when making decisions.

So I will parrot my self here: Lets take a new issue. One from the bunch of issues that we do not agree on and lets do it again. A single issue that we know that bikers are pissed off with and will all agree on. (I have said this umphteen times before, but feel I need to state it again: You will NEVER get bikers to agree on the whole "save our ACC" issue. many bikers want it privatised, many want it returned to how it was supposed to be etc. That is political, and even if we hear that this is political, for many bikers it is only re government bullkshit that we do not agree on. And yes, I realise that that is politics. But very few of us want to be politicaly active).

It has to be focused, it has to be simple, it has to be a "one issue" agenda.

Here a few:
- CC split
- STILL high levies!
- Loosing holidays before ACC kicks in
- Smaller ACC payments
- Bikes to be considered as part of the general motorists

And I could go on. But I think you get my point: This "Leave our ACC alone" is not uniting us bikers. It is deviding us!

Those correlate pretty well to BRONZ's position : which is

• No cc split
• bikes not a separate class, all private motor vehciles in together
• Abolition of full funding (because if bikes have to full fund, it's arithmetically impossible for our levies to come down)
• And a fairer way of charging the levy

technically, that would be compatible with privatisation of ACC delivery. Whether an insurance company would want to buy into it on those terms might be another matter.

[Conquiztador]

I know exactly what you are saying, but still playing Devil's Advocate...if (and that's a big if, cos none of us are in the Prick's inner circle) the level of rise is what he'd planned in the first place - then what did we win?

I would say (coming from a business background) that there was the "If nobody makes a noise we go for the top $$'s" scenario. Then there was a few others, and then at the bottom of what they could live with was the "If there is a big protest, we will have to setlle for $XXX, but taking all in to account, if we have to do that we can work with it". I recon that is what we achieved.

[Ixion]

I know exactly what you are saying, but still playing Devil's Advocate...if (and that's a big if, cos none of us are in the Prick's inner circle) the level of rise is what he'd planned in the first place - then what did we win?

Well, let's look at the numbers . For simplicity I'll focus on the 601cc+ rate, but the others follow the same logic

Mr Judge wanted $500 extra (roughly) for bikes, $130 extra for cars.
No no said the Nicksta , I'll see car drivers right. But not bikers, they should be paying $3500. His "see the car drivers right" was based on the extension of full funding to 2019. That made a difference of about $100 to the levies. So the cars were to get that reduction , but we weren't. Because he/they claimed that we should "really" be paying $3500 - so the $100 would be taken by ACC to reduce the shortfall a bit.

So, the Nicksta scheme was , cars pay an extra $30, bikes pay an extra $500.

Then the BIKEOI! rattled his cage. And he rethought a bit.

And so, we got the $100 off that the cars did, which we weren't going to. That, on its own, would have reduced the increase to an extra $400.

Then he took off another $200, just for bikes only, because of them being bolshie bastards who shout at him. Which reduced the increase to around $200 - total levy of $450 odd.

Now, I suspect that Mr Smith always had giving us the $100 as a fall back position. When/if we bitched, he'd generously reduce our increase by the same $100 as the cars. That would have left us paying an extra $400 (instead of the $200 we ended up with).

I very much doubt that the reduction from a $400 increase to a $200 increase was in the original plan. And that figure isn't based on any calculation (unlike the car increase, which IS a calculation). Ours is just a number out of thin air. I suspect he carefully picked a number that he figured was as high as he could get away with, and low enought to make most of the noise go away. A political decsion not an acturial one.


As Mr MSTRS says, we can never really know for certain . But I'd say that what he plannd in the first place was to reduce Mr Judges demands by $100 , same as cars. So, what we won was the extra $200 reduction above that. Still not enough, though. We should pay the same as cars.