What a knob: Came off today

[Bikemad]

was meaning you seem to have all the knowledge on hand but i think applying it in all the wrong ways and when its probably not necessary.... re positive throttle,clutchless changes,gettin ya wieght round the bike etc....... unless your caning it.
Anyway its all a learning curve for me too i freely admit.
Get your bike sorted and i look forward to meetin you on a ride one day then i guess i can make a more informed judgment on your skills and vice versa

[Smifffy]

Wow. Taken a bit to catch up with this thread. If I remember correctly in the OP it was stated that the corner wasn't particularly challenging or outrageous. On my "delivery" ride home around the Rotorua lakes in the rain, I'm fairly sure that I didn't go down to 1st gear even going around the 35Km/h posted hairpin.

Admittedly I had a car up my arse, and was feeling a little nervous, and have a couple of hundred cc and a v-twin, so perhaps that's what these days means I'm a lazy rider, or perhaps a careful one.

If the corner was more of a bend as the OP stated, I'm surprised it needed to be taken any lower than 3rd, much less chopping down to 1st at 9k revs. I don't think I would even try that in a straight line, let alone a corner, maybe I'd surprise myself - good thing I don't have a tacho .

A lot of conflicting advice in here for a born-again noob, but it seems to get a little clearer as more info comes out. Thanks for sharing.

[boomer]

You think?.....I predict that if his ability to over analyse extended to sex, that post coitus his victim would lie totally unsatisfied while he washes his cock with Dettol.

life sure would be one big dilemma after another huh...

[rocketman1]

For some reason after a few hours riding, and being in second gear for sometime I went from second to first, instead of to 3rd. Dont ask me why I dont know, but I'm admitting to it., dumb aye .
Yeah the back wheel started to lock up bit and snake, but I pulled the clutch in, and changed back up.
Seemed to save the day for me.

On thinking about it I think what happened is as I was in second gear in a line of slow traffic, it wasnt a change of gear but my foot hitting the gear change lever down when I was actually trying to put my foot underneath to flick it up. Only done it once,....I know what your on about

[The Stranger:Me]

he's deadly serious. Thats whats so hilarious about this whole thread and the idiots supporting him. But im the one in need of help, so i'll congratulate him again and ask who his tuTor/mentor is ... So i can stEAR fookIN CLEAR OF THE muppet(s) !

For the sake of clarification - it wasn't me.

[The Stranger:Me]

You think?.....I predict that if his ability to over analyse extended to sex, that post coitus his victim would lie totally unsatisfied while he washes his cock with Dettol.

He rides a Honda, can't be too careful with the whole hygene thing after anal sex I expect.

[The Stranger:Me]

Not so much max power; but wanting to maintain a positive throttle throughout the corner. The Keith Code books talk about this quite a bit as well (I refer your attention to "A Twist of the wrist II", chapter 5 - Throttle control).

Exactly how positive did Keith intend?
I would have thought you could get away with just a smidgen less that absolute peak power perhaps?

[Hahn]

Not so much max power; but wanting to maintain a positive throttle throughout the corner. The Keith Code books talk about this quite a bit as well (I refer your attention to "A Twist of the wrist II", chapter 5 - Throttle control).

He discusses what he calls "street lazy" riders who delay applying positive throttle till 2/3 of the way through the corner.
Basically the theory is if you take the total contact patch of both your tyres, you optimally want 40% of the total contact patch being made with the front tyre, and 60% wth the rear tyre. This gives you the most grip. And you can only achieve this by having positive throttle.
He says you should be on positive throttle as soon as you can - don't wait till the apex. He basically infers that "lazy street riders" get away with it a lot of the time - until they need the extra grip.
Keith Code also discusses many of the other benefits of positive throttle control, such as settling the suspension down, improving handling, etc. I'm not going to re-produce the chapter, but invite those interested to read it for themselves. The Keith Code books are quite cheap to buy from amazon.com.

But I didn't do things right, because I came off. Pretty obvious really. I am definitely going to be continuing to use positive throttle on corners, as everything I've read and been told suggest this is best. But perhaps I need to consider not putting myself in the place of needing to blip so hard. In my case, I should probably have just remained in second.

You realise you can do "40/60%" in sixth gear right..... especially at 70km/hr

[p.dath]

You realise you can do "40/60%" in sixth gear right..... especially at 70km/hr

I'm guessing my bike would be doing about 3kRPM (maybe 4kRPM) in sixth at 70km/h. It is gutless with the revs that low.

Or are you saying that you need only a tiny amount of power to achieve 40/60?

[p.dath]

Exactly how positive did Keith intend?
I would have thought you could get away with just a smidgen less that absolute peak power perhaps?

As I said, it's obvious I made a mistake, and Keith Code's books do have a focus on road racing so some moderation of what is said is needed.

[HenryDorsetCase]

, seem to have put a pin hole sized hole in the left hand side of the crank case. It now has a very slow oil link.

http://www.jbweld.net/index.php


this is good stuff. you can plug up the gap, and file and sand it back, give it some paint and you'd never know it had been damaged.

You'll need to read the instructions first. Getting it clean is the hardest part. Dishwasher (DONT tell your mum) is good.

[pc220]

You realise you can do "40/60%" in sixth gear right..... especially at 70km/hr

That is what I thought,maybe the Bandit is just a bit more useable down low.Im not try to citisice p.dath at all,i am probably the noob of all noobs. But from what i can gather you are probably just setting yourself up for the corner a little too late and not leaving enough time or space to allow for the unexpected.

[The Stranger:Me]

Dishwasher (DONT tell your mum) is good.

Now that's gold.
There's a message somewhere in there pdath, see if you can figure it out.

[quickbuck]

Exactly how positive did Keith intend?
I would have thought you could get away with just a smidgen less that absolute peak power perhaps?

Keith Code talks of "Cracking" the throttle.
This is NOT flick the thing with your wrist like a stock whip, BUT more of taking up the cable slack so the butterflies are just open, allowering the needles to rise...
Just a smidgen.

Now, about CBR600 F's.... It will actually potter around at 40km/hr in top gear!
There is tonnes of torque for an IL4, and 9000 RPM you are about to start getting into the power..... The REAL power.
Below that though, there is actually plenty!

BUT p.dath, Keith Code talks about "Lazy Street Riders"... What you should read by that, is at times there is nothing wrong with being "Lazy" on the street.
You don't actually have to ride at 100% of the bikes capabilities 100% of the time!

I agree the "Book" gives you some excillent advise, but at the end of the day we don't all have to be Rossi's of the street.
So long as you are riding "Properly" on the road, there is no problem with being "Lazy".

[vifferman]

http://www.jbweld.net/index.php


this is good stuff. you can plug up the gap, and file and sand it back, give it some paint and you'd never know it had been damaged.

You'll need to read the instructions first. Getting it clean is the hardest part. Dishwasher (DONT tell your mum) is good.

Phark, you beat me to it.
Don't need the dishwasher though (save her for some after-dark antics...)
Just clean it with kero, folllow up with brakecleaner. That's what I did with my crankcase cover (there's a thread here somewhere - find it yourself, you lazy sods) after some unco-rordinated dickehead couldn't handle braking, turning, indicating and opening the gargre door all at the same time and dropped the VifFerraRi on the one catseye outside the house.....
Saved me US$185 for a new one.